[Coladam] Coladam Digest, Vol 55, Issue 5

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Fri Jan 8 07:58:46 CET 2010


Since I keep the write protect tab on write protect for almost all my 1.44MB Adam floppy disks a ADAM virus would not effect me. A ADAM virus would only be very harmful for people that have a ADAM hard drive with lots of programs stored on it. The amount of ADAM computers using modems and a hard drive was so small that hardly anyone wrote a virus for the ADAM. Now there might have been some CP/M virus made. Was there every antivirus software made for CP/M or TDOS? 
                The ADAM is not capable of connecting to the modern Internet since it does not have a web browser program. It was possible to connect a internal 300 baud, external 1200 baud, external 2400 baud, external  9600 baud, and external 19200 baud modem up to the ADAM in order to use a bulletin board text based service like CompuServe back in the 80's and 90's. Does anyone still use a ADAM computer with a modem anymore? 19200 baud was the fastest possible external modem one could connect with the ADAM. Many years ago I use to use a 2400 baud modem with a 80 column terminal with the ADAM. I never bought a 9600 baud modem since back in the late 80's they cost $1,000 or more.      


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Today's Topics:

  1. ADAM Viruses? (David)
  2. Re: ADAM Viruses? (Geoff Oltmans)
  3. Re: Issues with Printer (Ronald Mitchell)
  4. Re: ADAM Viruses? (Joe Blenkle)
  5. Re: ADAM Viruses? (Joe Blenkle)
  6. Re: Software / Hardware (Ronald Mitchell)
  7. Re: Software / Hardware (Joe Blenkle)
  8. Re: Issues with Printer (Craig Lindholm)
  9. Re: Software / Hardware (Craig Lindholm)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:46:54 -0500
From: David <yyzonian at hotmail.com>
Subject: [Coladam] ADAM Viruses?
To: <coladam at adamcon.org>
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I love Wikipedia, it has provided me with a fair amount of good info on a variety of topics.

Happened upon the entry for Macintosh on Wikipedia. A little better than halfway down the screen in the paragraph titled Software it says - kind of out of the blue - "...the Coleco Adam had, in its time, numerous known viruses"

Check it out. What the heck are they talking about?
    
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 15:02:47 -0600
From: Geoff Oltmans <geoff at oltmansfamily.org>
Subject: Re: [Coladam] ADAM Viruses?
To: David <yyzonian at hotmail.com>
Cc: coladam at adamcon.org
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Lol.. that's pretty funny. I read the cited article, and it read more like an editorial. The point it was trying to make was that even though the Coleco ADAM is relatively obscure, it had viruses, so security through obscurity is not good security. I don't know why that's relevant to the Mac article in Wikipedia.

I've never encountered an ADAM virus. I'm sure you could make one, but I don't know where he got his info.

On Jan 7, 2010, at 2:46 PM, David wrote:

> 
> I love Wikipedia, it has provided me with a fair amount of good info on a variety of topics.
> 
> Happened upon the entry for Macintosh on Wikipedia. A little better than halfway down the screen in the paragraph titled Software it says - kind of out of the blue - "...the Coleco Adam had, in its time, numerous known viruses"
> 
> Check it out. What the heck are they talking about?
>     
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:09:58 -0800
From: Ronald Mitchell <bytehacker at tallcedarskennels.com>
Subject: Re: [Coladam] Issues with Printer
To: Craig Lindholm <eclindholm at gmail.com>
Cc: coladam at adamcon.org
Message-ID:
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Hmmmm.

As you know, the printer is also the power supply to the entire  
computer. I do know that the output voltages can change on the  
printer. Those of us who hooked up hard drive interface cards to the  
ADAM motherboard (the original BJ Lingrel installation) found that the  
output from some printers would be sufficient to drive the extra card,  
but would result in the video chip not getting quite enough juice, and  
hence, strange colours on the video screen. Switch printers, and all  
was well for a while. Some worked, some caused problems.

So it might well be that components have changed their electrical  
characteristics with age.  Again, just a wild guess, and I could be  
completely wrong. (Been known to happen).

By the way, the ADAM emulator site has available a version that can be  
compiled for the Linux Platform. I think that's what the original was  
first written for. It's up there on Marcel deKogel's site. One of my  
ongoing challenges one of these days is to do what Dale Wick and Geoff  
Oltmans and others  have already done and compile a version of ADAMEM  
to run on my Linux box here. I just want to see if I can do it.  That  
would eliminate the house of cards you described with one emulator  
running atop another.

Ron





On 5-Jan-10, at 10:43 PM, Craig Lindholm wrote:

> Hi Ron
>
> I looked at the emulator a few years back, but, as you said, it's  
> not that same thing ( Plus, I use a Linux machine, so I would need  
> to run the emulator inside Windows which is also running in a  
> virtual machine on Linux....Ugh. I'm getting a headache :-) ).
>
> I looked at the switch, and it seams to be working fine. I toggled  
> with my finger, and the print head immediately stopped, the daisy  
> wheel spun, then the print moved to the right about an inch. No  
> carriage return though, and no printing. This weekend, I will open  
> it up further and take a look at the switch, the platen motor, and  
> the print solenoid.
>
> Craig
>
> On 01/05/2010 09:40 PM, Ronald Mitchell wrote:



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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:10:57 -0800
From: "Joe Blenkle" <jblenkle at sacnews.net>
Subject: Re: [Coladam] ADAM Viruses?
To: "David" <yyzonian at hotmail.com>, <coladam at adamcon.org>
Message-ID: <6AFD36F887F942CCAB69B7EBD0F1411F at sacnews>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

They probably mean bugs rather than viruses...I don't recall any viruses 
that went around for the ADAM...but some of the hardware and software was 
buggy.

Joe B.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David" <yyzonian at hotmail.com>
To: <coladam at adamcon.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:46 PM
Subject: [Coladam] ADAM Viruses?


>
> I love Wikipedia, it has provided me with a fair amount of good info on a 
> variety of topics.
>
> Happened upon the entry for Macintosh on Wikipedia. A little better than 
> halfway down the screen in the paragraph titled Software it says - kind of 
> out of the blue - "...the Coleco Adam had, in its time, numerous known 
> viruses"
>
> Check it out. What the heck are they talking about?
>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:22:24 -0800
From: "Joe Blenkle" <jblenkle at sacnews.net>
Subject: Re: [Coladam] ADAM Viruses?
To: "Geoff Oltmans" <geoff at oltmansfamily.org>, "David"
<yyzonian at hotmail.com>
Cc: coladam at adamcon.org
Message-ID: <3109A0921FB84C569E964B1CC3616604 at sacnews>
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I'll admit to writing a "virus" for the ADAM once...back in the good old 
days there was this real obnoxious twit...had to be a kid...me and one of my 
ADAM buddies were in cohoots on the deal. I wrote a program in basic that 
supposedly would condense your original Donkey Kong tape down to half its 
size by "compacting the blocks" so it could be written to a disk. What it 
really did was do a INIT to the tape and then put a "ha, ha, ha, you've been 
had" message on the screen before erasing itself. I sent it to my friend and 
then he re-mailed it from Los Angeles - supposedly from a software company - 
with a note saying they'd like this guy to test the software and write a 
review of it. Neither of us heard anything about it from him (he was on 
CompuServe a lot), so I don't know if he fell for it or not...ah, the good 
ol' days....

p.s. - if you knew who this guy was, you probably would have done it too!!! 
I assure you it was no one on this list though or anyone of any consequence 
in the ADAM community.

Joe B.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Geoff Oltmans" <geoff at oltmansfamily.org>
To: "David" <yyzonian at hotmail.com>
Cc: <coladam at adamcon.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Coladam] ADAM Viruses?


> Lol.. that's pretty funny. I read the cited article, and it read more like 
> an editorial. The point it was trying to make was that even though the 
> Coleco ADAM is relatively obscure, it had viruses, so security through 
> obscurity is not good security. I don't know why that's relevant to the 
> Mac article in Wikipedia.
>
> I've never encountered an ADAM virus. I'm sure you could make one, but I 
> don't know where he got his info.
>
> On Jan 7, 2010, at 2:46 PM, David wrote:
>
>>
>> I love Wikipedia, it has provided me with a fair amount of good info on a 
>> variety of topics.
>>
>> Happened upon the entry for Macintosh on Wikipedia. A little better than 
>> halfway down the screen in the paragraph titled Software it says - kind 
>> of out of the blue - "...the Coleco Adam had, in its time, numerous known 
>> viruses"
>>
>> Check it out. What the heck are they talking about?
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
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>> e-mail you.
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:46:14 -0800
From: Ronald Mitchell <bytehacker at tallcedarskennels.com>
Subject: Re: [Coladam] Software / Hardware
To: Craig Lindholm <eclindholm at gmail.com>
Cc: coladam at adamcon.org
Message-ID:
<62180FF3-5A93-4885-B211-730239266FAB at tallcedarskennels.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes

Hardware appears fairly regularly on Ebay Craig. Not sure about  
software.

Rich Clee, owner of ADAM Services in Toronto might be able to point  
you toward available software that used to sell commercially.

As for the PD stuff, pretty well any one of us around this list   
probably has quite a bit. Are you using tape drives only? Or do you  
have a disk drive?

Actually, that is one of the advantages of the emulator. I can send  
you a disk image, and you can run it on ADAMEM. There is a way to  
transfer such images onto an ADAM disk, but transferring to an ADAM  
tape drive, I'm not sure how you'd do it.  Maybe someone here has an  
idea.

There is a CD containing disk images of many ADAM titles available at  
one time or another along with copies of some of the major newsletter  
from ADAM's heyday. I can send you an image of that,, and it might  
give you an idea of what's available.

Ron


On 5-Jan-10, at 10:50 PM, Craig Lindholm wrote:

> Sorry about those previous emails. I didn't realize that the quotes  
> were
> so long. I will parse them down a bit from now on.
>
> I was curious as to what the status of available software is. I can't
> imagine that commercial stuff is available for purchase anymore. Do I
> need to peruse EBAY to find software?
> Years ago there was TONS of shareware and public domain software
> available. Where doe one find this stuff now?
>
> Same goes for Hardware. Where does one purchase things like  
> diskdrives,
> etc, nowadays?
>
> Sorry for so many questions.
>
> Craig
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:52:21 -0800
From: "Joe Blenkle" <jblenkle at sacnews.net>
Subject: Re: [Coladam] Software / Hardware
To: "Ronald Mitchell" <bytehacker at tallcedarskennels.com>, "Craig
Lindholm" <eclindholm at gmail.com>
Cc: coladam at adamcon.org
Message-ID: <9DED7496A2AF4453AAB3F2B81E57FC07 at sacnews>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

Ron...there is a utility to transfer DDP images to DDPs and the other way 
around. Unfortunately you need a disk drive to do it. All it really does is 
copy the DDP to two ADAM disks which can then be turned into emulator images 
and recombined with the program on ADAMem. You can, of course, accomplish 
the same thing with any program that copies blocks on the ADAM.

Joe B.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ronald Mitchell" <bytehacker at tallcedarskennels.com>
To: "Craig Lindholm" <eclindholm at gmail.com>
Cc: <coladam at adamcon.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Coladam] Software / Hardware


> Hardware appears fairly regularly on Ebay Craig. Not sure about
> software.
>
> Rich Clee, owner of ADAM Services in Toronto might be able to point
> you toward available software that used to sell commercially.
>
> As for the PD stuff, pretty well any one of us around this list
> probably has quite a bit. Are you using tape drives only? Or do you
> have a disk drive?
>
> Actually, that is one of the advantages of the emulator. I can send
> you a disk image, and you can run it on ADAMEM. There is a way to
> transfer such images onto an ADAM disk, but transferring to an ADAM
> tape drive, I'm not sure how you'd do it.  Maybe someone here has an
> idea.
>
> There is a CD containing disk images of many ADAM titles available at
> one time or another along with copies of some of the major newsletter
> from ADAM's heyday. I can send you an image of that,, and it might
> give you an idea of what's available.
>
> Ron
>
>
> On 5-Jan-10, at 10:50 PM, Craig Lindholm wrote:
>
>> Sorry about those previous emails. I didn't realize that the quotes
>> were
>> so long. I will parse them down a bit from now on.
>>
>> I was curious as to what the status of available software is. I can't
>> imagine that commercial stuff is available for purchase anymore. Do I
>> need to peruse EBAY to find software?
>> Years ago there was TONS of shareware and public domain software
>> available. Where doe one find this stuff now?
>>
>> Same goes for Hardware. Where does one purchase things like
>> diskdrives,
>> etc, nowadays?
>>
>> Sorry for so many questions.
>>
>> Craig
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 19:42:52 -0800
From: Craig Lindholm <eclindholm at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Coladam] Issues with Printer
To: Ronald Mitchell <bytehacker at tallcedarskennels.com>
Cc: coladam at adamcon.org
Message-ID: <4B46A9BC.7020409 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Thanks Ron, I will take a look

On 01/07/2010 04:09 PM, Ronald Mitchell wrote:
> Hmmmm.
>
> As you know, the printer is also the power supply to the entire
> computer. I do know that the output voltages can change on the
> printer. Those of us who hooked up hard drive interface cards to the
> ADAM motherboard (the original BJ Lingrel installation) found that the
> output from some printers would be sufficient to drive the extra card,
> but would result in the video chip not getting quite enough juice, and
> hence, strange colours on the video screen. Switch printers, and all
> was well for a while. Some worked, some caused problems. 
>
> So it might well be that components have changed their electrical
> characteristics with age.  Again, just a wild guess, and I could be
> completely wrong. (Been known to happen).
>
> By the way, the ADAM emulator site has available a version that can be
> compiled for the Linux Platform. I think that's what the original was
> first written for. It's up there on Marcel deKogel's site. One of my
> ongoing challenges one of these days is to do what Dale Wick and Geoff
> Oltmans and others  have already done and compile a version of ADAMEM
> to run on my Linux box here. I just want to see if I can do it.  That
> would eliminate the house of cards you described with one emulator
> running atop another.  
>
> Ron
>


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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 19:45:33 -0800
From: Craig Lindholm <eclindholm at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Coladam] Software / Hardware
To: Ronald Mitchell <bytehacker at tallcedarskennels.com>
Cc: coladam at adamcon.org
Message-ID: <4B46AA5D.8090809 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I have already been in touch with Mr Clee, and most likely be using his
services when I am ready. Right know, I am just trying to get the
working ;-) . I only have 1 tape drive currently.

Craig

On 01/07/2010 04:46 PM, Ronald Mitchell wrote:
> Hardware appears fairly regularly on Ebay Craig. Not sure about software.
>
> Rich Clee, owner of ADAM Services in Toronto might be able to point
> you toward available software that used to sell commercially.
>
> As for the PD stuff, pretty well any one of us around this list 
> probably has quite a bit. Are you using tape drives only? Or do you
> have a disk drive?
>
> Actually, that is one of the advantages of the emulator. I can send
> you a disk image, and you can run it on ADAMEM. There is a way to
> transfer such images onto an ADAM disk, but transferring to an ADAM
> tape drive, I'm not sure how you'd do it.  Maybe someone here has an
> idea.
>
> There is a CD containing disk images of many ADAM titles available at
> one time or another along with copies of some of the major newsletter
> from ADAM's heyday. I can send you an image of that,, and it might
> give you an idea of what's available.
>
> Ron


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