[Coladam] Surfing the web with the Adam

shonmccallum at juno.com shonmccallum at juno.com
Tue Jan 19 20:52:36 CET 2010


The original Coleco Adam modem was only an internal 300 baud modem that shipped with the Coleco Adamlink software. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
There was some third party Adam software that allowed people to connect up to a 19,200 baud modems with a 80 column terminal with a modified version of Adamlink.  Also TDOS and CP/M 2.2 allowed external modems to be connected with 80 column terminals. Most people used BBS services back then and 2400 baud modems for $300 were popular. Only a few people could afford a 9,600 baud modem or faster. 9,600 baud and faster modems cost around $1,000  many years ago.  Text based online BBS's were popular in the early to late 80's. 
            If someone owned an Adam computer with a 2MB memory expander, in theory it would still not be enough memory and fast enough to surf the Internet. If an Ethernet network card was made for the Adam it would not be possible to make a program that would allow a 1983 ADAM to surf the Internet.
            Today's websites use many high resolution graphics and sound. The ADAM computer would need a faster processor, more memory, better graphics card, and a computer programmer that would be willing to make a new and improved operating system for the ADAM. I doubt we will ever see the ADAM surf the Internet like a modern desktop PC does.  
Question: Are there any BBS's for the ADAM in the 21 Century or have they all been shut down?


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  1. Re: Software questions from a newb (Geoff Oltmans)
  2. Re: Software questions from a newb (Ron Mitchell)
  3. Re: Software questions from a newb (Joe Blenkle)
  4. Re: Software questions from a newb (Ronald Mitchell)
  5. australian basic (Joe Blenkle)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:35:34 -0600
From: Geoff Oltmans <geoff at oltmansfamily.org>
Subject: Re: [Coladam] Software questions from a newb
To: Craig Lindholm <eclindholm at gmail.com>
Cc: coladam at adamcon.org
Message-ID: <F58E677A-C4CF-4815-A13A-4B2A61B6C8A5 at oltmansfamily.org>
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As far as IDE's go, I'm not aware of any. There are a couple of libraries floating around for programming the OS7 environment (the Coleco Vision's BIOS), but nothing I'm aware of for EOS.

The problem that I've seen too, is unless you're willing to programin assembly, none of the C compilers I've seen match the calling conventions of the EOS' BIOS routines.

I'm sure Daniel Bienvenu will pipe in here soon. :)
On Jan 17, 2010, at 11:57 PM, Craig Lindholm wrote:

> Hello, it's me again....(that darn newbie)
> 
> what's the best:
> Word Processor
> Spreadsheet
> Database
> Tape backup software and other "must have" utilities
> IDE (Integrated Development Environment)
> ADAM specific games
> 
> Any other "must have" stuff?
> 
> (I am on a tape drive only BASE system)
> 
> Craig
> 
> PS. Sorry for asking all these newbie questions, but it's been so long
> since I have done ANY ADAM stuff, I am totally lost with what is
> currently out there.
> _______________________________________________
> Coladam mailing list
> Coladam at adamcon.org
> http://adamcon.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/coladam



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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:07:26 -0800
From: Ron Mitchell <bytehacker at tallcedarskennels.com>
Subject: Re: [Coladam] Software questions from a newb
To: Craig Lindholm <eclindholm at gmail.com>
Cc: coladam at adamcon.org
Message-ID: <1263877646.3448.6.camel at mitch-laptop>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"


Looks like my first attempt to reply to you last night didn't make it
through. This is a retry

Craig, I sincerely hope that others will reply to your question about
software. This board is for newbies like yourself, and we all need to
help as much as we can.  It's probably a good thing to make a list of
this stuff.

Word Processor.  I like Speedywrite  (David White Software). However
there is also VDE.com that operates under CP/M or TDOS. All of which
gives rise to a basic division of opinion amongst us, and probably a
question that should be asked of you first.  The ADAM was capable of
using its own native operating system or CP/M (Control Program for
Microprocessors) which pre-dates DOS by at least 5 years.

Some of us never took to CP/M, and preferred to stay with software that
ran under ADAM's native operating system, Elementary Operating System or
EOS. I'm one of those who prefers CP/M, and so my favourite software for
ADAM might reveal a bit of a bias. 

For the balance of this answer I'll assume that you're not interested in
CP/M - which really runs better with a disk drive (better yet, 2 disk
drives, and better even still a hard drive)

So, back to your question.....

Wordprocessor    -   Speedywrite
Spreadsheet      -   Adamcalc
Database         -   (I don't really have any for ADAM EOS)  There is
D-Base II
available under CP/M
Tape Backup      -  JKL Utilities, AJM Filemanager, Quickcopy
Utilities        -  AJM Disk Doctor, Uncle Ernie's Toolkit

Graphics         - Powerpaint (Sol Swift)
Tape Backup      - Filemanager, AJM Software
IDE              - MacAdam assembler
                - Various versions of SmartBASIC with tools included
(ie - Autoaid -
Australian SmartBasic, etc. SmartBasic 2.0 (Coleco)
games           -  I'm not really a games person, and I really couldn't
give
you any personal preferences.  Hopefully others will address that
Multimedia      - Chris Braymen's Sequel 2.0, Chris Braymen's
Multi-media  Utilities, 

As far as web browsing software is concerned, I'm not aware of it. ADAM
users were active on the net when Compuserve and Genie were amongst the
chief ways of getting together online. All that ended somewhere between
1990 and 1995. (the exact date escapes me).  ADAM was capable of online
communications at speeds of up to 2400 baud, and at the time, that was
good enough for Compuserve and Genie. It was even capable of hosting a
BBS system that ran under CP/M. Had one running when I lived in Ottawa.
However with the advent of the commercialized internet circa 1993, all
of that stopped. Some of us CP/M types browsed the net with a text based
browser known as Lynx. I'm not even sure if Lynx is useable on the net
today. Somehow doubt it.

Ron






On Sun, 2010-01-17 at 21:57 -0800, Craig Lindholm wrote:
> Hello, it's me again....(that darn newbie)
> 
> what's the best:
> Word Processor
> Spreadsheet
> Database
> Tape backup software and other "must have" utilities
> IDE (Integrated Development Environment)
> ADAM specific games
> 
> Any other "must have" stuff?
> 
> (I am on a tape drive only BASE system)
> 
> Craig
> 
> PS. Sorry for asking all these newbie questions, but it's been so long
> since I have done ANY ADAM stuff, I am totally lost with what is
> currently out there.
> _______________________________________________
> Coladam mailing list
> Coladam at adamcon.org
> http://adamcon.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/coladam
> 




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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:32:16 -0800
From: "Joe Blenkle" <jblenkle at sacnews.net>
Subject: Re: [Coladam] Software questions from a newb
To: <bytehacker at tallcedarskennels.com>, "Craig Lindholm"
<eclindholm at gmail.com>
Cc: coladam at adamcon.org
Message-ID: <423CB154CC2F4F15A93DC38EB7E71F1A at sacnews>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Ron...

(ie - Autoaid -
Australian SmartBasic, etc. SmartBasic 2.0 (Coleco)

This is a new one on me...Australian SmartBasic? I've got a lot of different versions of Basic, but not this one!!!

Joe B.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Mitchell" <bytehacker at tallcedarskennels.com>
To: "Craig Lindholm" <eclindholm at gmail.com>
Cc: <coladam at adamcon.org>
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Coladam] Software questions from a newb


> 
> Looks like my first attempt to reply to you last night didn't make it
> through. This is a retry
> 
> Craig, I sincerely hope that others will reply to your question about
> software. This board is for newbies like yourself, and we all need to
> help as much as we can.  It's probably a good thing to make a list of
> this stuff.
> 
> Word Processor.  I like Speedywrite  (David White Software). However
> there is also VDE.com that operates under CP/M or TDOS. All of which
> gives rise to a basic division of opinion amongst us, and probably a
> question that should be asked of you first.  The ADAM was capable of
> using its own native operating system or CP/M (Control Program for
> Microprocessors) which pre-dates DOS by at least 5 years.
> 
> Some of us never took to CP/M, and preferred to stay with software that
> ran under ADAM's native operating system, Elementary Operating System or
> EOS. I'm one of those who prefers CP/M, and so my favourite software for
> ADAM might reveal a bit of a bias. 
> 
> For the balance of this answer I'll assume that you're not interested in
> CP/M - which really runs better with a disk drive (better yet, 2 disk
> drives, and better even still a hard drive)
> 
> So, back to your question.....
> 
> Wordprocessor    -   Speedywrite
> Spreadsheet      -   Adamcalc
> Database         -   (I don't really have any for ADAM EOS)  There is
> D-Base II
> available under CP/M
> Tape Backup      -  JKL Utilities, AJM Filemanager, Quickcopy
> Utilities        -  AJM Disk Doctor, Uncle Ernie's Toolkit
> 
> Graphics         - Powerpaint (Sol Swift)
> Tape Backup      - Filemanager, AJM Software
> IDE              - MacAdam assembler
>                 - Various versions of SmartBASIC with tools included
> (ie - Autoaid -
> Australian SmartBasic, etc. SmartBasic 2.0 (Coleco)
> games           -  I'm not really a games person, and I really couldn't
> give
> you any personal preferences.  Hopefully others will address that
> Multimedia      - Chris Braymen's Sequel 2.0, Chris Braymen's
> Multi-media  Utilities, 
> 
> As far as web browsing software is concerned, I'm not aware of it. ADAM
> users were active on the net when Compuserve and Genie were amongst the
> chief ways of getting together online. All that ended somewhere between
> 1990 and 1995. (the exact date escapes me).  ADAM was capable of online
> communications at speeds of up to 2400 baud, and at the time, that was
> good enough for Compuserve and Genie. It was even capable of hosting a
> BBS system that ran under CP/M. Had one running when I lived in Ottawa.
> However with the advent of the commercialized internet circa 1993, all
> of that stopped. Some of us CP/M types browsed the net with a text based
> browser known as Lynx. I'm not even sure if Lynx is useable on the net
> today. Somehow doubt it.
> 
> Ron
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 2010-01-17 at 21:57 -0800, Craig Lindholm wrote:
>> Hello, it's me again....(that darn newbie)
>> 
>> what's the best:
>> Word Processor
>> Spreadsheet
>> Database
>> Tape backup software and other "must have" utilities
>> IDE (Integrated Development Environment)
>> ADAM specific games
>> 
>> Any other "must have" stuff?
>> 
>> (I am on a tape drive only BASE system)
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
>> PS. Sorry for asking all these newbie questions, but it's been so long
>> since I have done ANY ADAM stuff, I am totally lost with what is
>> currently out there.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Coladam mailing list
>> Coladam at adamcon.org
>> http://adamcon.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/coladam
>> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Coladam mailing list
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> http://adamcon.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/coladam

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:22:57 -0800
From: Ronald Mitchell <bytehacker at tallcedarskennels.com>
Subject: Re: [Coladam] Software questions from a newb
To: "Joe Blenkle" <jblenkle at sacnews.net>
Cc: Craig Lindholm <eclindholm at gmail.com>, coladam at adamcon.org
Message-ID:
<BB778C80-0610-4513-BC75-190AE2094A86 at tallcedarskennels.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes

Going on memory (at my age always dangerous), and wishing I still  had  
it.  Remember it from Ottawa.  As I recall, it had some nice features,  
like line renumbering and such, but I could be dead wrong.

Ron

On Jan 18, 2010, at 9:32 PM, Joe Blenkle wrote:

> Ron...
>
> (ie - Autoaid -
> Australian SmartBasic, etc. SmartBasic 2.0 (Coleco)
>
> This is a new one on me...Australian SmartBasic? I've got a lot of  
> different versions of Basic, but not this one!!!
>
> Joe B.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Mitchell" <bytehacker at tallcedarskennels.com>
> To: "Craig Lindholm" <eclindholm at gmail.com>
> Cc: <coladam at adamcon.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [Coladam] Software questions from a newb
>
> >
> > Looks like my first attempt to reply to you last night didn't make  
> it
> > through. This is a retry
> >
> > Craig, I sincerely hope that others will reply to your question  
> about
> > software. This board is for newbies like yourself, and we all need  
> to
> > help as much as we can.  It's probably a good thing to make a list  
> of
> > this stuff.
> >
> > Word Processor.  I like Speedywrite  (David White Software). However
> > there is also VDE.com that operates under CP/M or TDOS. All of which
> > gives rise to a basic division of opinion amongst us, and probably a
> > question that should be asked of you first.  The ADAM was capable of
> > using its own native operating system or CP/M (Control Program for
> > Microprocessors) which pre-dates DOS by at least 5 years.
> >
> > Some of us never took to CP/M, and preferred to stay with software  
> that
> > ran under ADAM's native operating system, Elementary Operating  
> System or
> > EOS. I'm one of those who prefers CP/M, and so my favourite  
> software for
> > ADAM might reveal a bit of a bias.
> >
> > For the balance of this answer I'll assume that you're not  
> interested in
> > CP/M - which really runs better with a disk drive (better yet, 2  
> disk
> > drives, and better even still a hard drive)
> >
> > So, back to your question.....
> >
> > Wordprocessor    -   Speedywrite
> > Spreadsheet      -   Adamcalc
> > Database         -   (I don't really have any for ADAM EOS)  There  
> is
> > D-Base II
> > available under CP/M
> > Tape Backup      -  JKL Utilities, AJM Filemanager, Quickcopy
> > Utilities        -  AJM Disk Doctor, Uncle Ernie's Toolkit
> >
> > Graphics         - Powerpaint (Sol Swift)
> > Tape Backup      - Filemanager, AJM Software
> > IDE              - MacAdam assembler
> >                 - Various versions of SmartBASIC with tools included
> > (ie - Autoaid -
> > Australian SmartBasic, etc. SmartBasic 2.0 (Coleco)
> > games           -  I'm not really a games person, and I really  
> couldn't
> > give
> > you any personal preferences.  Hopefully others will address that
> > Multimedia      - Chris Braymen's Sequel 2.0, Chris Braymen's
> > Multi-media  Utilities,
> >
> > As far as web browsing software is concerned, I'm not aware of it.  
> ADAM
> > users were active on the net when Compuserve and Genie were  
> amongst the
> > chief ways of getting together online. All that ended somewhere  
> between
> > 1990 and 1995. (the exact date escapes me).  ADAM was capable of  
> online
> > communications at speeds of up to 2400 baud, and at the time, that  
> was
> > good enough for Compuserve and Genie. It was even capable of  
> hosting a
> > BBS system that ran under CP/M. Had one running when I lived in  
> Ottawa.
> > However with the advent of the commercialized internet circa 1993,  
> all
> > of that stopped. Some of us CP/M types browsed the net with a text  
> based
> > browser known as Lynx. I'm not even sure if Lynx is useable on the  
> net
> > today. Somehow doubt it.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 2010-01-17 at 21:57 -0800, Craig Lindholm wrote:
> >> Hello, it's me again....(that darn newbie)
> >>
> >> what's the best:
> >> Word Processor
> >> Spreadsheet
> >> Database
> >> Tape backup software and other "must have" utilities
> >> IDE (Integrated Development Environment)
> >> ADAM specific games
> >>
> >> Any other "must have" stuff?
> >>
> >> (I am on a tape drive only BASE system)
> >>
> >> Craig
> >>
> >> PS. Sorry for asking all these newbie questions, but it's been so  
> long
> >> since I have done ANY ADAM stuff, I am totally lost with what is
> >> currently out there.
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Coladam mailing list
> >> Coladam at adamcon.org
> >> http://adamcon.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/coladam
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Coladam mailing list
> > Coladam at adamcon.org
> > http://adamcon.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/coladam



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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:13:04 -0800
From: "Joe Blenkle" <jblenkle at sacnews.net>
Subject: [Coladam] australian basic
To: "Ronald Mitchell" <bytehacker at tallcedarskennels.com>
Cc: Craig Lindholm <eclindholm at gmail.com>, coladam at adamcon.org
Message-ID: <AC4230396694487882B60FD6FAC06B04 at sacnews>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

So was this Basic actually done by someone in Australia? I've seen a French SmartBasic, as well as the many other revisions of SmartBasic, but the Australian one was a new one to me!
 ----- Original Message ----- 
 From: Ronald Mitchell 
 To: Joe Blenkle 
 Cc: Craig Lindholm ; coladam at adamcon.org 
 Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 10:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [Coladam] Software questions from a newb


 Going on memory (at my age always dangerous), and wishing I still  had it.  Remember it from Ottawa.  As I recall, it had some nice features, like line renumbering and such, but I could be dead wrong.


 Ron


 On Jan 18, 2010, at 9:32 PM, Joe Blenkle wrote:


   Ron...

   (ie - Autoaid -
   Australian SmartBasic, etc. SmartBasic 2.0 (Coleco)

   This is a new one on me...Australian SmartBasic? I've got a lot of different versions of Basic, but not this one!!!

   Joe B.

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: "Ron Mitchell" <bytehacker at tallcedarskennels.com>
   To: "Craig Lindholm" <eclindholm at gmail.com>
   Cc: <coladam at adamcon.org>
   Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:07 PM
   Subject: Re: [Coladam] Software questions from a newb


   > 
   > Looks like my first attempt to reply to you last night didn't make it
   > through. This is a retry
   > 
   > Craig, I sincerely hope that others will reply to your question about
   > software. This board is for newbies like yourself, and we all need to
   > help as much as we can.  It's probably a good thing to make a list of
   > this stuff.
   > 
   > Word Processor.  I like Speedywrite  (David White Software). However
   > there is also VDE.com that operates under CP/M or TDOS. All of which
   > gives rise to a basic division of opinion amongst us, and probably a
   > question that should be asked of you first.  The ADAM was capable of
   > using its own native operating system or CP/M (Control Program for
   > Microprocessors) which pre-dates DOS by at least 5 years.
   > 
   > Some of us never took to CP/M, and preferred to stay with software that
   > ran under ADAM's native operating system, Elementary Operating System or
   > EOS. I'm one of those who prefers CP/M, and so my favourite software for
   > ADAM might reveal a bit of a bias. 
   > 
   > For the balance of this answer I'll assume that you're not interested in
   > CP/M - which really runs better with a disk drive (better yet, 2 disk
   > drives, and better even still a hard drive)
   > 
   > So, back to your question.....
   > 
   > Wordprocessor    -   Speedywrite
   > Spreadsheet      -   Adamcalc
   > Database         -   (I don't really have any for ADAM EOS)  There is
   > D-Base II
   > available under CP/M
   > Tape Backup      -  JKL Utilities, AJM Filemanager, Quickcopy
   > Utilities        -  AJM Disk Doctor, Uncle Ernie's Toolkit
   > 
   > Graphics         - Powerpaint (Sol Swift)
   > Tape Backup      - Filemanager, AJM Software
   > IDE              - MacAdam assembler
   >                 - Various versions of SmartBASIC with tools included
   > (ie - Autoaid -
   > Australian SmartBasic, etc. SmartBasic 2.0 (Coleco)
   > games           -  I'm not really a games person, and I really couldn't
   > give
   > you any personal preferences.  Hopefully others will address that
   > Multimedia      - Chris Braymen's Sequel 2.0, Chris Braymen's
   > Multi-media  Utilities, 
   > 
   > As far as web browsing software is concerned, I'm not aware of it. ADAM
   > users were active on the net when Compuserve and Genie were amongst the
   > chief ways of getting together online. All that ended somewhere between
   > 1990 and 1995. (the exact date escapes me).  ADAM was capable of online
   > communications at speeds of up to 2400 baud, and at the time, that was
   > good enough for Compuserve and Genie. It was even capable of hosting a
   > BBS system that ran under CP/M. Had one running when I lived in Ottawa.
   > However with the advent of the commercialized internet circa 1993, all
   > of that stopped. Some of us CP/M types browsed the net with a text based
   > browser known as Lynx. I'm not even sure if Lynx is useable on the net
   > today. Somehow doubt it.
   > 
   > Ron
   > 
   > 
   > 
   > 
   > 
   > 
   > On Sun, 2010-01-17 at 21:57 -0800, Craig Lindholm wrote:
   >> Hello, it's me again....(that darn newbie)
   >> 
   >> what's the best:
   >> Word Processor
   >> Spreadsheet
   >> Database
   >> Tape backup software and other "must have" utilities
   >> IDE (Integrated Development Environment)
   >> ADAM specific games
   >> 
   >> Any other "must have" stuff?
   >> 
   >> (I am on a tape drive only BASE system)
   >> 
   >> Craig
   >> 
   >> PS. Sorry for asking all these newbie questions, but it's been so long
   >> since I have done ANY ADAM stuff, I am totally lost with what is
   >> currently out there.
   >> _______________________________________________
   >> Coladam mailing list
   >> Coladam at adamcon.org
   >> http://adamcon.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/coladam
   >> 
   > 
   > 
   > _______________________________________________
   > Coladam mailing list
   > Coladam at adamcon.org
   > http://adamcon.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/coladam



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