[Coladam] Coladam Digest, Vol 69, Issue 3

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Mon Mar 7 20:50:31 CET 2011


Richard Scary Best Electronic Workbench every was the biggest Adam game every released to my knowledge (Have not seen the two disc Jeopardy to comapre block size). Richard Scary is a total of 242K. It will fit on a 3.5 inch disk, double sided 5 ¼ inch, and 256K DDP. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
That two disk Jeopardy program sounds like the long lost full version of Jeopardy that was lost for several years. There is also a one DDP version of Jeopardy that might have been lost forevery. The one released into public domain on DDP was only 160K since the entire program was not copied. Of course a programmer from Walter’s software could convert the two disc version to a one disc and one DDP version with a lot of work.    


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  1. Re: Copy program (Jim Notini)
  2. copy program (Frances and/or Richard Clee)
  3. Re: copy program (Jim Notini)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 09:39:16 -0600
From: "Jim Notini" <jnoti2 at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Coladam] Copy program
To: "Justin Salvato" <justin76here at hotmail.com>, <coladam at adamcon.org>
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Justin,

There were A LOT of backup/copy utilities created over the years for the 
ADAM that would allow for the transfer of programs between Disk and Data 
Packs or any combination of them. The two "BEST" programs to get a hold of 
are File Manager v3.0 by AJM Software (Tony Morehen) and Backup+ v3.0 by 
MMSG Software (Jim Marshall), with File Manager v3.0 being the BEST all 
around program due to it's sheer amount of capabilities.

One thing to be aware of when copying to Data Packs is the existence of two 
different Data Pack formats referred to as:

- Center Directory DDP (CDDDP) - this is the standard data pack format that 
most software is provided on and all the blank data packs that were sold 
were provided as.

- Right Directory DDP (RDDDP) - this was a special data pack format Coleco 
came up with for all their Super Games like Buck Rogers, etc. that allowed 
for faster loading of game data. When copying a RDDDP, you have to copy it 
to another RDDDP and all of the Super Games DDPs can only be copied to 
another RDDDP, they can't be copied to a disk. Jim Walters of Walters 
Software patched all the Super Games to work from disk in 1985/1986. There 
are a few Coleco game software titles like Family Feud and The Best of 
Broderbund, to name a couple, that can be copied directly to Disk since they 
were supplied on CDDDPs and the programmer did not make them drive specific.

Also, be aware of the fact that there is a bug in the ADAM's Operating 
System when dealing with these two different format DDPs. Insert a CDDDP and 
the ADAM will always think a CDDDP is in the drive, even after you swap it 
out with a RDDDP and therefore cause the system to hang-up when trying to 
read the directory. You have to reset the system to eleviate this problem. 
As long as the programmer of whatever program "resets" ADAMnet (not the 
system), this will not be a problem.... and Backup+ does take this into 
account. I'm not sure about File Manager, but knowing Tony M., he probably 
took this into account as well.

So in the end.... BACKUP!, BACkUP! and BACKUP! and when you think you've 
done enough backups, backup again! With the age of these systems and storage 
media, you never know. I would make it a point to have a version of said 
program on DDP as well as on DISK, that way if a drive goes bad, you have 
the other format to fall back on.

Jim N.

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From: "Justin Salvato" <justin76here at hotmail.com>
To: <coladam at adamcon.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 4:10 AM
Subject: [Coladam] Copy program


> Hi all,
>  Does ADAM have a program that would allow you to put a DDP program on a 
> disk and vice versa?  I would like back ups for my programs and be able to 
> switch bewteen DDP and disk.  I?ve read about CopyCart but I am not sure 
> if that does what I need it to do.  Thanks.
>
> Justin
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2011 15:52:19 -0500
From: Frances and/or Richard Clee <cleechez at tamcotec.com>
Subject: [Coladam] copy program
To: coladam at adamcon.org
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A mild demurrer and a couple of questions inspired by Jim's answer. 
First, I found that when I had my disc drive plugged in I needed File 
Manager 3.0 to handles it, which of course it did well, but when the 
disc drive was gone the machine got sulky and would only accept 2.2 or 
earlier. This could simply be an idiosyncrasy of my machine or could 
reflect something more profound. That I don't know.

By the way, I found the Practical Programs suite pretty useful for 
copying and editing functions too, but between File Manager and Disc 
Doctor, and other programs by Tony Morehen and Guy Cousineau I found my 
needs sufficiently well met that I forgot about the others.

Some tapes can't be copied to discs because they have a drive specifier 
in the boot block. Somewhere in my 40 tons of paper I have the 
instructions for editing the byte involved but haven't seen it for about 
15 years. If anyone would like to send it to me I can post it on 
carnuts.ca so we all can have it.

Didn't know the Walters twins had patched the Supergames to run on 
discs. I know with some like "Richard Scary's Best Workbook" there were 
issues because they were longer than the 160K capacity of the Adam disc. 
But didn't someone also report a successful transfer simply by using the 
block copy function in File Manager?

And of course I wholly endorse the backup everything often advice.


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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 17:51:53 -0600
From: "Jim Notini" <jnoti2 at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Coladam] copy program
To: <cleechez at tamcotec.com>, <coladam at adamcon.org>
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Rich,

You might be using File Manager v3.1, which if I recall correctly was 
configured for Hard Drives and 3 1/2" High Density drives by Micro 
Innovations... really can't say for sure as the non-existence of one of 
these drives or any drive for that matter shouldn't cause a problem with 
running the program from Data Drives. Can't really offer up more than that 
on the subject.

Practical Programs' Basic System Manager and copy utility were nice programs 
for their time and still plenty good enough to handle people's requirements, 
but when there is a program or two that are so much better than the rest... 
why use anything else. Kinda like the glut of ramdisk utilities that were 
put out over the years by Jim & Bruce Walters/Walters Software Co. and 
Soloman Swift/Digital Express... all that effort to put out 
competing/similar programs when one could have been handling those (the 
Walters), while Sol should have been focusing on other types of programs 
that were needed. I know, competition is good and having a monopoly is bad, 
but prices for their warez were pretty cheap (usually no more than $20 with 
the exceptional warez closer to $30) and we ADAMites were starving for more 
and better warez covering the full spectrum of needs.

Good point re. the drive specifier in the boot block. The SuperGames had 
this issue as well as the fact that the games' blocks used were scattered 
over the length of the Data Pack in a way that made the loading faster (some 
blocks used followed by a group of unused blocks followed by more used 
blocks, etc.). This made the conversion of these games to disk format a 
rather difficult task for Jim Walters, but he pulled it off and got little 
in return for his efforts.

Concerning Richard Scarry's, Jim Walters was paid by Shon McCallum to 
convert this game to a 5 1/4" 320K format. At about the same time or maybe a 
little earlier, Ron Collins developed a patch that would do the same thing 
and we printed it in the NIAD Newsletter. Also, at the end of 1992, Doug 
Rosenvinge came upon a bunch of stuff from a former Coleco employee and a 
two-disk (160K) version was included in the lot.

Last but not least, let me reiterate if you didn't get it the first time.... 
BACKUP, BACKUP, BACKUP!!!  ;- )

Jim


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frances and/or Richard Clee" <cleechez at tamcotec.com>
To: <coladam at adamcon.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 2:52 PM
Subject: [Coladam] copy program


>A mild demurrer and a couple of questions inspired by Jim's answer.
> First, I found that when I had my disc drive plugged in I needed File
> Manager 3.0 to handles it, which of course it did well, but when the
> disc drive was gone the machine got sulky and would only accept 2.2 or
> earlier. This could simply be an idiosyncrasy of my machine or could
> reflect something more profound. That I don't know.
>
> By the way, I found the Practical Programs suite pretty useful for
> copying and editing functions too, but between File Manager and Disc
> Doctor, and other programs by Tony Morehen and Guy Cousineau I found my
> needs sufficiently well met that I forgot about the others.
>
> Some tapes can't be copied to discs because they have a drive specifier
> in the boot block. Somewhere in my 40 tons of paper I have the
> instructions for editing the byte involved but haven't seen it for about
> 15 years. If anyone would like to send it to me I can post it on
> carnuts.ca so we all can have it.
>
> Didn't know the Walters twins had patched the Supergames to run on
> discs. I know with some like "Richard Scary's Best Workbook" there were
> issues because they were longer than the 160K capacity of the Adam disc.
> But didn't someone also report a successful transfer simply by using the
> block copy function in File Manager?
>
> And of course I wholly endorse the backup everything often advice.
> _______________________________________________
> Coladam mailing list
> Coladam at adamcon.org
> http://adamcon.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/coladam
> 




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