[Coladam] Transferring ADAM tape/disk images to physical media

Kevin Powers kjpmail at gmail.com
Sat Aug 4 15:30:25 CEST 2012


However it's done, it would be amazing if we could get to the point where
all that you need in order to turn a DDP image into a live tape is a tape
recorder, a PC (with the WAV file of the DDP image), a line-to-line cable,
and a drill to put the holes in the new cassette.


On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 9:09 AM, John Turner <gimechip at live.com> wrote:

>  Kevin,
> I have given considerable thought to just such a plan since I began to
> acquire my Adam equipment last December.
> In order to place a DDP into a cassette deck, you have to drill a couple
> of holes in the DDP:
> http://www.theadamresource.com/manuals/Modifications/despddp.html
>
> http://www.theadamresource.com/manuals/Modifications/Audio%20Cassette%20Tape%20to%20a%20DDP%20Pack.htm
> http://www.theadamresource.com/manuals/Modifications/ddpmake.html
> After having read those three faqs - I set out to acquire an Aiwa WX 200 -
> after purchasing TWO "working" units off eBay (at no small expense) and
> finding them both to be NON-WORKING. I sat down and gave it some thought.
> First, the aiwa deck isn't ideal anyway because it is stereo. It is
> advantageous in that it copies both sides of the tape simultaneously at, I
> think, 16x speeds. So instead of repairing these decks (i intend to sell
> them as broken just to be rid of them) I purchased of couple of used, and
> thankfully functional, high speed professional MONO tape duplicators that
> copy both sides simultaneously. This will copy a DDP onto a tape with the
> same track width as the original ddp. A much better solution and it does
> work to create seemingly perfect DDP's (I've had no problems using the Sony
> HF-60's - you must use Type I Normal BIAS tape.)
>
> So at this point, what I am working on is this: The high speed duplicator
> plays the tape at 16x speed. I want to record both sides simultaneously as
> a WAV file on the computer. The easiest solution that I have thought of is
> as follows: I have bought some of those cassette tape devices that allow
> you to play a CD player into a cassette deck (note in one of the links
> above the author ponders if this might be do-able - normally it isn't in
> the manner he desires because of the way these things are designed and the
> fact that the digital data drive has an optical encoder that is driven by
> the tape running across it). What I have got to do is remove the head from
> this CD-2-Tape player device and replace it with an auto-reverse cassette
> head positioned so it is over the write head of the duplicator. The
> duplicator will then write to both "sides" of this auto reverse cassette
> head. A small op-amp circuit mixes the left and right channels of the auto
> reverse cassette heads top side and sends this to the Left channel of my
> PC's sound card. Another op-amp circuit mixes the left and right channels
> of the bottom side of the auto-reverse cassette head and sends this to the
> right channel of my pc's sound card. What I will end up with is a mono copy
> of the top track of the ddp on the left channel of my wav file and a mono
> copy of the bottom track of the ddp as the right channel of the same wav
> file, recorded at 16x speed. Now Goldwave or some other audio editor could
> be used to slow this wave file down to 1x speed (probably) - but since I
> will be recording it back to the same high speed tape duplicator i will
> leave it at 16x.
> Now for recording back to the duplicator, I will have to modify another
> one of those Cd-to-tape player cassettes by replacing the write head that
> is in it with a write head from one of the duplicator machines - i need to
> contact the company to see if i can buy these. Then I would only have to
> play my wav file back into the duplicator which would record it onto the
> blank tape.
>
> Finally, I hope to be able to modify one of those tape/cd adapters to
> include an endless loop tape (probably just use mylar leader for this) to
> drive the optical encoder in the digital data drive, plus include the write
> head to "write" to the digital data drives head. Then, by slowing the wav
> file down and having the pc play it to the data drive, perhaps I can make
> the PC act as a DDP.
>
> NOTE: NONE OF THIS MAY ACTUALLY EVEN WORK - BUT THEN AGAIN IT MAY, WHICH
> IS WHY I AM PLAYING AROUND WITH IT -John
>
> > Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 00:10:14 -0400
> > From: kjpmail at gmail.com
> > To: jnoti2 at comcast.net
> > CC: coladam at adamcon.org
>
> > Subject: Re: [Coladam] Transferring ADAM tape/disk images to physical
> media
> >
> > Couldn't you just put the DDP in a standard tape deck, connect the "LINE
> > OUT" from the tape deck into the "LINE IN" of the PC, and record the
> sound
> > using any wave audio recording software (e.g., Audacity, which is free)?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 11:00 PM, Jim Notini <jnoti2 at comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > **
>
> > > As I see it, someone would have to write a program (Windows, DOS or Mac
> > > OS) to convert the DDP or Disk Image to a WAV file.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > *From:* Kevin Powers <kjpmail at gmail.com>
> > > *To:* Jim Notini <jnoti2 at comcast.net>
> > > *Cc:* coladam at adamcon.org
> > > *Sent:* Friday, August 03, 2012 4:52 PM
> > > *Subject:* Re: [Coladam] Transferring ADAM tape/disk images to physical
>
> > > media
> > >
> > > One post that went unanswered at the end of the "easiest way" thread,
> > > below, referenced something that I'm also curious about: With the Apple
> > > II, it's possible to play back a WAV of a cassette, into a tape
> recorder,
> > > and then use the tape with the Apple II cassette in/out jacks. Is it
> > > possible (assuming that one drills the necessary holes in the cassette
> to
> > > allow it to sit in a DDP drive) to do the same thing with ADAM DDP
> images?
> > > That would save me an enormous amount of work-around attempts!
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Jim Notini <jnoti2 at comcast.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I posted a bunch of information on AtariAge about transferring
> programs
> > >> back and forth between an ADAM and PC. Follow these links for all the
> > >> message threads and everything that you will need. The Serial transfer
> > >> method could be used as well, but is a lot more involved in my
> opinion.
> > >>
> > >> http://www.atariage.com/**forums/topic/177853-looking-**
> > >> for-specs-on-coleco-adam-**floppy-drive-model-%237817-**
> > >> power-supply/page__hl__+dcopy#**entry2220845<
> http://www.atariage.com/forums/topic/177853-looking-for-specs-on-coleco-adam-floppy-drive-model-%237817-power-supply/page__hl__+dcopy#entry2220845
> >
> > >>
> > >> http://www.atariage.com/**forums/topic/179364-adam-the-**
> > >> easiest-way-of-running-the-**non-cart-games/page__hl__+**
> > >> dcopy#entry2243174<
> http://www.atariage.com/forums/topic/179364-adam-the-easiest-way-of-running-the-non-cart-games/page__hl__+dcopy#entry2243174
> >
> > >>
> > >> http://www.atariage.com/**forums/topic/179825-was-**
> > >> montezumas-revenge-available-**on-disk-for-the-adam/page__hl_**
> > >> _+dcopy#entry2251139<
> http://www.atariage.com/forums/topic/179825-was-montezumas-revenge-available-on-disk-for-the-adam/page__hl__+dcopy#entry2251139
> >
> > >>
> > >> http://www.atariage.com/**forums/topic/192782-was-**
> > >> smartbasic-available-on-**floppy/page__hl__+dcopy#**entry2444682<
> http://www.atariage.com/forums/topic/192782-was-smartbasic-available-on-floppy/page__hl__+dcopy#entry2444682
> >
> > >>
> > >> http://www.atariage.com/**forums/topic/194789-so-i-just-**
> > >> picked-up-an-adam/page__hl__+**dcopy#entry2478396<
> http://www.atariage.com/forums/topic/194789-so-i-just-picked-up-an-adam/page__hl__+dcopy#entry2478396
> >
>
> > >>
> > >> AtariAge, as well as this list, is a great source for information,
> just
> > >> remember to put that Forum Search feature to good use to find items of
> > >> interest.
> > >>
> > >> Jim/NIAD
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Powers" <kjpmail at gmail.com>
> > >> To: <coladam at adamcon.org>
> > >> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 9:13 AM
> > >> Subject: [Coladam] Transferring ADAM tape/disk images to physical
> media
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Is it possible to transfer an ADAM tape (or disk) image to physical
> > >>> media?
> > >>> How is this done? I'm familiar with the process on the Apple II, but
> are
> > >>> there transfer programs (similar to ADTPro on the Apple II) and
> serial
> > >>> connectors (similar to the Super Serial Card on the Apple II)
> available
> > >>> for
> > >>> the ADAM?
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