[Coladam] More Colecovision II comments and suggestions

Eduardo Mello eduardo at opcodegames.com
Fri Oct 26 04:03:38 CEST 2012

Offering different video outputs isn't always easy. First we have
differences between analog and digital and going from one to other is
complicated and expensive. HDMI is digital, but we aren't going to find a
TMS9928 compatible solution that offers digital output, only analog. Then
we have differences in color space and progressive/interlaced. Going from
one to other isn't always easy. The options we have for video are all
interlaced, which means that producing a progressive signal might be
difficult without more expensive hardware. The V9958 offers analog RGB
interlaced, and from that we can easily produce composite and S-video.
S-video is actually very good, but it is getting really hard to get new TVs
with that nowadays. From RGB we can get component, which is also analog,
but that involves converting from a color space to another, which isn't
trivial, but not too hard either.


On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 5:36 PM, Joe Blenkle - Comcast <jblenkle at comcast.net
> wrote:

> Well, we will see...but...
> Eduardo...wasn't there some technical reason an HDMI hookup wouldn't work
> for ColecoVision? Or was that just upgrading an old ColecoVision with one?
> Would it be possible on a new and improved version?
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: shonmccallum at juno.com
>   To: jblenkle at comcast.net
>   Cc: coladam at adamcon.org
>   Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 2:16 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Coladam] More Colecovision II comments and suggestions
>               Yes there are more advanced videogames on smartphones and
> emulators for Playstation 3’s, etc. The reason the Colecovision II would
> sell more than the supergame module is because the supergame module is a
> very niche product that plays a very limited amount of games and it
> requires someone to own a working Colecovision or ADAM already. Key word is
> working Colecovision and Adam since many have broke in the last 30 years or
> so.
>               A ColecoVision II at the very minimum should be able to sell
> 1,000 units since there is several hundred games already in existence and
> people would be able to connect it to a modern 24 inch HDMI computer
> monitor or flat screen LCD.
>               I could be under or over estimated the demand for the
> ColecoVision II. Until there is a unit for sell no one will really kwow the
> demand for sure.
>               I am glad that Eduardo is considering making a ColecoVision
> II and it would be safer to start out with 200 units then 500 units for
> sell.
>   ---------- Original Message ----------
>   From: "Joe Blenkle - Comcast" <jblenkle at comcast.net>
>   To: <shonmccallum at juno.com>, <coladam at adamcon.org>
>   Subject: Re: [Coladam] More Colecovision II comments and suggestions
>   Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 13:55:46 -0700
>   I do not understand your reasoning. When ColecoVision was originally
>   released it was state-of-the-art cutting edge video game technology. It
> had
>   millions of dollars behind it, along with TV and magazine ads. Now we
> have
>   Smart Phones that are capable of running more advanced games than
>   ColecoVision.
>   With the Smart Phones, PCs, Xbox 360s, Sony PlayStations, Nintendo Wii -
> who
>   would honestly buy a CV2 over a more advanced...and possibly less
> expensive
>   machine? As a CV fan, I would want one, but only to guard against the
>   electronic failure of my 30-year-old hardware which will probably come
>   sooner rather than later. If I'm a gamer, I would bypass the 30-year-old
>   technology in favor of a new machine.
>   If there are 10,000 potential buyers out there based on your figures, why
>   has Opcode's SGM barely topped 200 orders? Surely more of these 10,000
>   buyers would want the SGM...not just 200. Likewise, why do the fantastic
>   homebrew cartridges barely sell out a run of 100 games?
>   Don't get me wrong...200+ SGMs is fantastic for what we are dealing with
>   here...as are 100 homebrew cartridges...but 10,000? Without millions of
>   dollars in marketing, advertising and production expenses, it just won't
>   happen.
>   I think you are taking a "Build it and they will buy" attitude...but
> unless
>   you are willing to be stuck with 9,800 CV2 consoles in your back bedroom
>   anyone tackling this project and producing that many...or even a run of
>   500...would be taking a huge financial risk.
>   I know Eduardo has millions in his Cayman Islands and Swiss bank
> accounts,
>   but even he seems to be balking at the numbers of units you are tossing
>   around.
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: <shonmccallum at juno.com>
>   To: <coladam at adamcon.org>
>   Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:11 PM
>   Subject: [Coladam] More Colecovision II comments and suggestions
>   The Colecovision first came out in 1982 and then was discontinued by
> October
>   1985. Total amount of Colecovisions sold is estimated to be over 2
> million
>   back in the spring of 1984. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns =
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>   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ColecoVision
>   In 1986 a lower quality Colecovision clone called the Telegames Personal
>   Arcade was sold. The problem with the Telegames Personal Arcade is that
> it
>   was not compatible with some Colecovision cartridge games and it lacked
> the
>   expansion module slot. It is estimated that several thousands of consules
>   were sold but that has not been verified.
>   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegames_Personal_Arcade
>   Its been 30 years since the Colecovision first came out in 1982. Out of 2
>   million Colecovisions sold perhaps only 1% are still being used. If 1% of
>   people are still using their Colecovision then that would mean there are
>   currently 20,000 active users of the Colecovison console with perhaps
> many
>   more using a PC Colecovision emulator (how many thousands of Colecovision
>   emulators have been downloaded?).
>              So I believe that if a Colecovision II existed within the next
>   2-3 years that a minimum of 10,000 consules could be sold if it did
>   everything the old Colecovision did (including the front expansion slot)
> and
>   offered a HDMI output with standard composite video output. A small
> company
>   could start off by running off 500 Colecovsion II’s at a time and then
> once
>   those are sold then another 500 could be made. Until one day perhaps
> 10,000
>   are sold after a few years.
>   Maybe no one is interested in making that many Colelecovision II’s and
> would
>   only want a limited run of 200. The problem with a limited run of 200 is
>   that it would not meet the demand.
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