james: hello Rinious Red: hi James james: how are you? Rinious Red: pretty good Rinious Red: how's life treating you james: is this pam? Rinious Red: nope...Erin james: not bad, keeping busy Rinious Red: classes going well? james: reasonably so. they keep me on my toes Rinious Red: :-) james: these girls today, have no sense of propriety Rinious Red: that bad eh...still commenting on your attribute? james: the boys are much easier to handle james: well last week they were drawing pictures of what was supposed to be me in "canadian underwear" Rinious Red: oh my
moved to room Meeting Place james: which i'm told is a maple leaf thong-like apparel Rinious Red: oh yikes
changed username to rich-c Rinious Red: poor James Rinious Red: hi Uncle Richard rich-c: good morning james, good evening Rin james: so i try to keep them focused on the task at hand. it's not easy Rinious Red: I guess not rich-c: talking about your teaching day, james? Rinious Red: have you explained to them that it is innappropriate james: lol sec james: hi rich james: yes, you'd find it quite amusing, i think james: erin can fill you in while i put aiden in the jolly jumper rich-c: OK go for it Rinious Red: hehe...the girls drew poor james in Canadian underwear rich-c: so spill it, Erin Rinious Red: maple leaf thong
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changed username to Harvie Rinious Red: hi Harvie rich-c: hello Harvie Harvie: Hello rich-c: sounds like fun, Rin Rinious Red: man the poor guy <snicker> rich-c: james will be right back, Harvie Harvie: OK rich-c: I can imagine their version Rinious Red: hehe rich-c: he should tell them about Ottawa-level longjohns Rinious Red: lol Harvie: How is the construction next door rich? rich-c: been trying to get a new user from Chicago to come by, so if a jeff appesrs be nice to him rich-c: that is not a tactful question, Harvie rich-c: we had a decent view for 40 years - now its a blank wall eight feet away rich-c: no sun, no sky, just wall james: back james: @erin, the fact it's inappropriate falls on deaf ears. some weeks are better than others though rich-c: got Aiden settled now? Rinious Red: sigh Rinious Red: what's the age range? james: he's in the jolly jumper. happiness ensues Harvie: Sorry to hear that rich, any redress james: 15 Rinious Red: oy Rinious Red: and if I may ask how old are you? rich-c: of all the teen ages, thats likely the worst of all (says this retired "teacher") james: they'll settle down. i've dealt with this before. usually once they finish junior high james: well i'm exactly twice that, and no one lets me forget it Rinious Red: hehe rich-c: still a wet behind the ears kid, james Rinious Red: double oy james: fortunately it's a small cross section of my total student population Rinious Red: well that's good.....otherwise I'm sure it would be most frustrating rich-c: you are permitted to underline that "fortunately" ;-) james: heh heh Rinious Red: but my question is...they actually showed you the picture? rich-c: you should tell them about longjohns. james james: it can be when they don't listen, which for junior high school students seems to be about 90% of the time james: rich, if i go there, i may never come back :P Rinious Red: haha rich-c: speaming of which, what's your slice of climate up to now? rich-c: hurricanes? earthquakes? early morning volcanoes? james: i'm trying to remember if i was really like that. a typical conversation goes "ok, let's try these questions" to which i get dumbfound looks james: uhh.. we're still sunny or partly cloudy, low teens rich-c: we had a snow flurry this morning but it edged up enouigh to melt later james: then someone will ask "you mean now?" and another will pipe in "do we need our notebooks?" Rinious Red: I fortunately or unfortunately was the student teachers wanted a whole classroom of james: my largest group is about 9 and i have enough on my plate with that james: it's harder with unmixed groups
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changed username to Pamela Rinious Red: hi Pam james: we could be getting a green christmas here.. i've got a big party planned for the 26th, turkey dinner, mashed potatoes, harry potter rich-c: hi daughter james: and a snowball fight Harvie: Hello Pam Rinious Red: hehe snowball fight Pamela: hi everyone Pamela: how are you going to have a snowball fight without snow, James? james: up to about 6th grade they're "normal" rich-c: seems we have an El Nino growing - could mean a mild winter here james: well if we get no snow, i've informed them we'll be throwing rocks at each other. bandaids will be provided for Rinious Red: LOL Pamela: JAMES! james: at a nominal cost of course :P Pamela: yes, but does mild mean less or more snow, Dad? Harvie: Throw Sushi James
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changed username to Bumbles Bounce james: here mild means no snow since even in winter it's typically around 0 during the day rich-c: my guess is less snow, or perhaps lower accumulations rich-c: I do know we get more snow at 0 than -20 Rinious Red: Hi Rich Pamela: I'm for colder but less snow Pamela: Hi Rich Bumbles Bounce: Hi everyone. Bumbles Bounce: We were all watching "Rudolph" on TV. rich-c: greetings, BB Bumbles Bounce: Then put younger 2 girls to bed. Harvie: Hi Doc Pamela: so bumbles bounce, and Weebles wobble? james: i've got that dvd, along with frosty, charlie brown and the grinch on the way for my kids here Bumbles Bounce: Yes :-) Bumbles Bounce: They didn't cut it...but they time-compressed it...saw the video artifacts, and heard some sound artifacts in it. rich-c: we're a little beyond that here, for better or worse Pamela: Dad, FYI for Mom, tell her I got her e-mail re: pearls and I've been trying to find time to call her for days rich-c: OK Bumbles Bounce: Pearls? rich-c: a fancy exhibit at the Royal Ontario Museum Pamela: yes, there's an exhibit at the ROM which is the history of pearls including all their uses Bumbles Bounce: Ah...I wondered if Pam was buying some. Pamela: translation: lots of pretty stuff to look at Bumbles Bounce: Grinding them up for medicine was one crazy use. rich-c: she'd like to but seems to think groceries come first james: are we grinding up pearls or reindeer :P Bumbles Bounce: Rudolph burger, mmm. rich-c: I'm told venison is quite tasty... Bumbles Bounce: I've never had it AFAIK. james: there's a place not far from here that apparently serves it Pamela: I've heard it's an acquired taste Bumbles Bounce: If it is properly field-dressed and refrigerated very quickly, I'm told it is very good. Pamela: now bison burgers are becoming quite easy to find james: well i've "acquired" lots of tastes so i could probably eat it rich-c: some of teh upscale restaurants here serve it, but they're too upscale for me Bumbles Bounce: But the typical hunter doesn't do so good with it, and the results are not so good. Rinious Red: deer and elk were served at one of the receptions at the legislature Bumbles Bounce: My Grampa Varns raised buffalo as a hobby...sent some meat home with us once. Pamela: Along with Alberta beef : ) Rinious Red: so I went to the cafeteria and had a burger (2 weeks ago) Bumbles Bounce: We didn't like it too much...
moved to room Meeting Place rich-c: bison burgers are now even in the freezer at No Frills Pamela: yes, PC is putting them out as a regularly stocked item
changed username to Daniel Bienvenu Pamela: allo, Daniel Harvie: HelloDaniel Rinious Red: hi Daniel rich-c: bonsoir, Daniel james: hi dan Daniel Bienvenu: Happy december to all! :-)
moved to room Meeting Place Bumbles Bounce: Hi Daniel. Daniel Bienvenu: let it snow let it snow let it snow
changed username to Guy B. Daniel Bienvenu: it's snowing here Pamela: hello Guy Rinious Red: hi Guy rich-c: hello Guy, how goes it? Harvie: Hello Guy Pamela: keep your snow, Daniel - please! james: i almost wish it would snow here. then i might get some peace and quiet from all this stupid construction rich-c: yes, we had our token snow shower today Bumbles Bounce: Hi Guy. Bumbles Bounce: We had snow that stuck around about 3/4 of a day on Thanksgiving, but none since then. Daniel Bienvenu: Sorry to be late, my computer burned a cd-rom. rich-c: we have a house going up right next door to us, james - 3000 sq, ft, rich-c: I gather your CD burner is not teh fastest around, Daniel Pamela: brb, I gotta get a sweater Guy B.: Greetings. We had our second snow of the season last night. rich-c: did it last or just melt away? james: 3000 sq ft.. italian by any chance? Daniel Bienvenu: well, it's mostly the pre-formatting phase, making the CD image before burning. Guy B.: I take it the Bumbles Bounce is Dr. D? james: that's my guess rich-c: if you mean the contractor, yes, style is tasteless pretension Bumbles Bounce: yes, I was delayed getting here from watching "Rudolph" on TV tonight. james: than the buyer is likely italian too :P james: *then
Bumbles Bounce changed username to Dr.D. Guy B.: It's the 40th anniversary of Rudolph Dr.D.: There now you can tell who I am. rich-c: not in this neighbourhood - teh Orthodox Jews outbid everyone james: oh yeah Dr.D.: Yep...it has been on as long as I can remember...my first TV memories are from 1965 (age 3 for me). rich-c: we are within walking distance of a couple of schules Rinious Red: it's the best Xmas movie going Dr.D.: Ostentation isn't a thing among the Orthodox here in Cleveland. Pamela: more than a couple, Dad james: *gears whirr and cranks grind* so you're only 42, rich? Harvie: Are you sure it's only 40 Guy? Dr.D.: Yep. Dr.D.: Do I seem older? haha rich-c: when you have to walk to schule every shabbas, even in February, propinquity pays james: good number :) Guy B.: I'm on the Dell and dialup. I had to go on the emulator and Adamcalc. Had to figure my expenses for my Flexible Spending Account for 2005. Oh, I'm going to get an upgrade on my Cochlear Implant. Pamela: yes, that was discussed on his birthday : ) Dr.D.: Just don't let them upgrade it to WinXP, Guy. Pamela: what kind of upgrade, Guy? Guy B.: No, I'm getting a new unit to replace my SPectra 22 that I've had for 10 years. Pamela: Russell wants to know - am or fm? rich-c: what have you got against WinXP, Rich? james: there's been a lot of development in the last ten years, guy Dr.D.: Buggy security hole spyware magnet, that is all :-) Harvie: Amen Doc james: i'm still happy with win2k and my hardware router rich-c: I gather SP2 addressed a lot of those ills Guy B.: It's called Esprit G3. It's all in one unit, uses hearing aid batteries and some new features.
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changed username to Ronald West Daniel Bienvenu: hi Ron! rich-c: greetings Ron Guy B.: Hi Ron Ronald West: hello all Pamela: greetings, Mr. West Dr.D.: We have been told not to install SP2 at all here at Case, seems to cause more troubles than it fixes. james: hi ron Rinious Red: hi Ron Harvie: Hi Ron Dr.D.: I own no WinXP machines, so I am not worrying about it. james: same here doc. you'll spend more time patching 3rd party software after you do rich-c: story I'm hearing, Rich, is that as a clean OE install it's fine - as a plugin, you don't want to know Dr.D.: Hello Ron, sorry I missed you last week (read the logs though), I was beat with little sleep, vegged out from lab practical prep here, and it was the night before Thanksgiving. Ronald West: installed it on mine, and I'm regretting it seriously Guy B.: I've notice that some new versions of software now either you must have WinXP or Win2000. Adobe Acrobat is one of them. Ronald West: the computer died Dr.D.: Or MacOs X, guy :-) rich-c: not totally must, Guy, there are older versions still available Ronald West: attempting to install Easy CD Creator 6, and the MBR got creamed Dr.D.: Which computer died, Ron? Ronald West: the Duron rich-c: which computer died of what, Ron? james: easy cd cremator eh Dr.D.: Cremator LOL Ronald West: creamator is right Guy B.: Yes, the older versions will work with Win98 on up. But, I'm wondering if this is becoming a trend now? rich-c: oh, that's the Adaptec one that the greed company took over? Ronald West: I am going to make the Duron a Windoze free zone Dr.D.: MS has set expiry for Win98 support to be something very soon. Dr.D.: Might even be Jan 2005. rich-c: building a nest for Tux? Ronald West: yep Harvie: Good idea Ron, Dr.D.: When that happes, the lemmings will follow suit. Ronald West: we'll all go over the cliff together james: sec rich-c: MS has already postponed the date a couple of time, Rich Guy B.: They said through 2006 for Win98 support. Ronald West: modern version of "Head Smashed In Buffalo Jump" Dr.D.: I haven't looked at MS webpage on the subject yet. Dr.D.: Or rather recently. Dr.D.: I did look some while ago, maybe a year. rich-c: yes, and the way folks are resisting XP and staying with 98 they may have to maintain it longer Pamela: I'll stick with my 98, thank you Dr.D.: Thing is, new machines incapable of running Win98 are in the offing... rich-c: they are feeling teh hot breath of Linux on their necks james: i don't care one iota for 98 Dr.D.: MS want to move to an immovable-copy-of-OS model. james: i've done far better with 2k Harvie: They announced an imminent release for Longhorn 8 years ago :) Dr.D.: Don't want you to be able to install it on a new bare machine. rich-c: I can hear Michael Robertson licking his chops Ronald West: then they'll have to sell me the new bare machine in new and bare state Ronald West: which I bet they'll refuse to do Guy B.: I'm thinkig about either Win2000 or XP, but it will be on a seperate hard drive and I have a portable drive enclosure. Dr.D.: Legally they have to, but they will drag feet enough to make it practically impossible. Ronald West: right Dr.D.: I don't think you can buy new copies of Win2K anywhere now. rich-c: depends on how impatient teh courts become rich-c: but I suspect that Dubya and his buddies are very Gates-friendly 8-( Guy B.: I've found them at computer shows. rich-c: doesn rich-c: t Bob have some copies of 98 around? Dr.D.: Hehe, they have to be virgin shrinkwrapped or you can't use them...they will have already been registered to different hardware... Ronald West: I have one, but I ain't sayin' where I got it Harvie: It's the rest of the world that will kill that silly idea Dr.D.: I think they give you 30 days to let it phone Bill and register or it self-destructs. Dr.D.: That is the other reason to stay with Win98, at least it lets you reinstall from the same CD repeatedly. rich-c: yes, I don't care to ask Bill's permission to upgrade my hard disc or whatever Ronald West: exactly james: linux is getting much easier for average people. still a ways to go though rich-c: we have a shop aroujnd teh corner offering computers with Linux already installed and configuered Ronald West: that's right James. Have found there are still one or two hardware items that don't get recognized without tweaking Ronald West: mostly sound cards rich-c: they make a big deal about price but fact is, they aren't competitive Daniel Bienvenu: I'm wondering if it's too late to send pictures for the electronic adamcon christmas card? Dr.D.: OMG I totally forgot about it, sigh. rich-c: my guess is that it's well within time, Daniel Rinious Red: Adamcon Xmas card? rich-c: but with BobS absent tonight, can't be sure Ronald West: Bob is going to cover that for me this year Daniel. I gather he already has it ready, but you might want to e-mail him Dr.D.: Take the frowning face I made during the chat at ADAMcon 16 and put it through Daniel's BMP2PP program :-) Ronald West: Events of the past few weeks make it difficult for me to do this year Dr.D.: Understood Ron. rich-c: yes, you have had rather much on your plate Dr.D.: No explanation needed. james: pam and erin are awfully quiet Dr.D.: They must be MSNing. james: rather unusual for those of the x-chromosome persuasion Rinious Red: I just asked: ADAMcon Xmas card? Dr.D.: Or else <PRIVATE> Pamela: sorry, not much to contribute on the Linux front james: *ducks* Ronald West: :) Daniel Bienvenu: I'm modifying my cd_dithering program now to be able to strech to the resolution for tthe 10k powerpaint file. rich-c: they are likely sending PMs back and forth, or on Messenger with Marie Pamela: and I quote@ James: pppppppppttttttttttbbbbbbbbbbttttttttt! james: @pam, you sound just like aiden :P Ronald West: just remember - you have to like penguins, Pamela
(Everyone laughs mockingly at Pamela) Pamela: penguins are cute! Dr.D.: haha Guy B.: Oh no, Ronald West: I don't much. Would rather that they'd chosen a teddy bear Daniel Bienvenu: err.. I didn't updated my cv_dithering software for a while... it will takes a couple of minutes to find out how I can modify it.
(A strange smell wafts around the room) Dr.D.: They make great parting gifts for game show contestants! Rinious Red: hehe Pamela: I was a big Opus fan Guy B.: Me too. Guy B.: He's back in the comics. rich-c: isn't Bloom County still around? Pamela: no, it was stopped quite a few years ago Dr.D.: A weirdo descendant of it...it runs only in the Sunday paper. Dr.D.: I don't like it. Dr.D.: I never liked "Outland" either. Guy B.: Opus has his own strip by the same author. rich-c: just because your local paper doesnt carry it doesnt mean a comic isnt available Dr.D.: "Bloom County" was okay. Dr.D.: The penguin did take it over too much though IMHO. Pamela: you're entitled to your opinion james: i'm a far side fan Dr.D.: "Calvin and Hobbes" is the one I greatly miss...though "Frazz" manages to mine some of the same vein. rich-c: a buddy on my car chat board uses Opus as his avatar Ronald West: Far Side --- yea Pamela: I stick with For Better of For Worse Ronald West: Calvin and Hobbes too Guy B.: He's bringing back the gang from Bloom County. So far, Bill the Cat, Steve Dallas has returned. Ronald West: haven't read funnies for a long time rich-c: yes, but that's going away shortly Pamela: what, FBorFW? Not for a year or two Pamela: it's going to take that long to wind up all the story lines rich-c: that isn't long Ronald West: She's Canadian eh? Dr.D.: "shortly"? Why? Ronald West: Lynn Johnson Pamela: did you read the column about it in the Star last week? Pamela: yes she is Ron Dr.D.: No :-) Rinious Red: she had an anniversary right rich-c: yes, lives up around North Bay, formerly in Manitoba Pamela: 25th anniversary of the strip this year Rinious Red: there was a Member's Statement on it, I think Ronald West: Used to like Farley james: north bay isn't in manitoba anymore? Dr.D.: So why is the strip being retired> Ronald West: North Bay never was in Manitoba Dr.D.: ? rich-c: she's of an age where she is facing health problems, Rich rich-c: she will be 60 when she quits Ronald West: although some of the people I used to work with thought it was james: where is it? Dr.D.: That is what assistants are for :-) Ronald West: Want Charlie Brown back Dr.D.: If you get the right assistant, it can be great for the strip. james: i've been reading that one for as long as i can remember Dr.D.: No, Charlie Brown should stay dead...and get out of the papers. Pamela: author is deceased, Ron - kinda difficult Ronald West: I know Ronald West: ;{ Dr.D.: I am tired of seeing reruns of post-1970 Peanuts take newspaper space away from other live comics. rich-c: assistants, even heirs, can be troublesome - look at Pogo Pamela: and did you all hear that Pierre Burton died yesterday? Rinious Red: yeah...that's so sad Ronald West: yes Dr.D.: After Woodstock came into the strip, it was bleh. Rinious Red: <pout> I like Woodstock Pamela: I can see we're destined to butt heads on this Rich Pamela: Woodstock is my favourite Dr.D.: He and the fat-headed version of Snoopy never did anything for me. Guy B.: I like Woodstock too. Rinious Red: cute widdle lellow birdie Pamela: tee hee hee Dr.D.: I like the Peanuts of the vintage that the musical was written from...and the Christmas special. Dr.D.: early to mid 1960s. Rinious Red: I like the stories with the little red-haired girl.....don't know why exactly ;-) Dr.D.: If they have to rerun "dead" strips, I would rather see something like "Li'l Abner"... Pamela: can't imagine, Rin Guy B.: That would be 1965. That's when a Charlie Brown Christmas first came on. Dr.D.: or one of the great adventure ones like "Steve Canyon". rich-c: did you know Gasoline Alley is still going? Dr.D.: yep, Skeezix is about 130 years old now :-) Dr.D.: And Walt not too far behind :-) rich-c: how about "Terry and the Pirates"? Pamela: I want my Asterix and Obelix Guy B.: Dennis the Menace is still running even after Hank Ketchem died. I believe his sons are doing the strip. Ronald West: It must be an extremely tough task to come up with 5 panels day after day such as to keep people interested. Basically, you've got limited space to make your point rich-c: no, Skeeix is in his 80s and Walt just died - correction, make that Phyliss Dr.D.: Comic size has shrunk as newspapers have gotten smaller. Pamela: well Garry Trudeau is still doing it : ) Dr.D.: Look how the vintage CBs have to be shrunk vertically to fit into modern column width...it is disgusting. Dr.D.: That is one reason that Calvin & Hobbes ended, the artist was tired of having no space to draw in. rich-c: I just wish one of our papers would carry "Non Sequiter" Dr.D.: Doonesberry is not funny anymore either...waaaaayyy too preachy. As bad as B.C. Guy B.: There's one comic strip I miss is Crankshaft Dr.D.: Runs in the PD here. rich-c: don't know that one, Guy Ronald West: I understood Doonesberry about as well as I understand the Simpsons Dr.D.: Bus driver from Funky Winkerbean, Richard. rich-c: I'm not sure I want to know... Guy B.: Use to be in the Sun-Times here, burt they dropped it for some Latino comic strip. Dr.D.: FW's artist is changing the style to look kinda anime, not sure I like it. He got sick and had a guy sub doing his pencils and inks for a while, and had a different style. Dr.D.: Batiuk liked it and started to draw in it. Guy B.: At first, he appeared in Funky Winkerbean, but he then had his own strip after Funky graduated from high school back in 1988. rich-c: I'm finding Adam@home amusing at times Harvie: How about "Der Katzenjammer Kids" Dr.D.: Oh yes!@ Ronald West: remember that one Dr.D.: Hans und Fritz... Harvie: Or "Maggie and Jiggs" Guy B.: Does anyone remember Rose is Rose? Pamela: before my time Dr.D.: Yes I know that one from anthology books. rich-c: that was "Bringing up father" officially Dr.D.: Runs in the paper at my Dad's house. Dr.D.: "Dondi", bleh! Rinious Red: <whistles> Dr.D.: "Nancy and Sluggo", also bleh. rich-c: I remember Alley oop. Smilin' Jack, 'Our boarding house" Dr.D.: You know "Dondi", Rin? Rinious Red: I know nothing Dr.D.: "Smokey Stover"...FOO and NOTARY SOJACK Dr.D.: Why whistles then Rinious Red: whistling off in the background :-) rich-c: for that matter, Popeye Guy B.: You don't like Nancy and Sluggo? Ronald West: many memories here Pamela: while eyeing the ceiling Rin? Dr.D.: The last years under creator Ernie Bushmiller were very dull. Rinious Red: more like whistling a happy tune Dr.D.: The guy who is doing it now, though, is making it somewhat funny again. Rinious Red: like a dwarf Dr.D.: I have seen it online a few times, the PD doesn't carry it. Ronald West: somewhat funny? Guy B.: Garfield is till running and 30 years is not too far off. rich-c: bring back Dick Tracy! Dr.D.: Gah, Garfield! Ronald West: my son's favourite - Garfield Dr.D.: Hehe what does he have now, 2-way internet terminal on his wrist? :-) Ronald West: couldn't see it myself Pamela: oh come on, there have been some very funny Garfield strips over the years Dr.D.: Garfield was funny when he was a fat real cat. rich-c: yes, Garfield has had some memorably amusing episodes Guy B.: Hey, he has DVD's out now with his Saturday morning cartoons and more. Dr.D.: When he turned into a Disneyfied cartoon cat, he was not funny any more. Guy B.: He still is Dr. D. Dr.D.: And Jim Davis doesn't even draw it now, it is all ghosted... Guy B.: How do you know that? Dr.D.: Icky artwork... Dr.D.: Davis admits it :-) Guy B.: Oh he did. Dr.D.: Just like all the Mickey Mouse newspaper strips were always signed "Walt Disney"... Ronald West: The only one I used to look for daily was the Wizard of Id Guy B.: Still running here. rich-c: it's still around Dr.D.: Blanking on the name of the guy who really drew them for 40-odd years...rats Ronald West: don't get a daily any more here in hicksville rich-c: you can always go to the website and see it Ronald West: only a bi-weekly which doesn't have comics Ronald West: not the same Rich, in my humble opinion Pamela: brb Dr.D.: Not even a local political cartoon? Ronald West: yes, there's one of those, he's semi-funny now and then rich-c: well, that hardly counts as comics, Rich Dr.D.: The first political cartoonist was named Homer Davenport...he was from Cleveland. Dr.D.: He had no use for Senator Mark Hannah...a Boss Tweed of Cleveland. rich-c: that was a very long time ago, then - mid 19th century Dr.D.: Davenport always drew him in a checked suit with dollar signs in the boxes. Dr.D.: The Senator didn't like it, of course :-) rich-c: the most famous of teh early cartoonists was (something) Nash, if I recall Dr.D.: Nobody remembers Davenport now...but Hannah has a huge bronze statue near the campus. Dr.D.: And a big Parthenon tomb in the Lakeview Cemetery down the street from us. Dr.D.: Yes, Clarence Nash...he was the one in New York who attacked Boss Tweed and Tammany Hall. rich-c: oh yes, the Robber Barons were great at spending money on themselves rich-c: more recently, is Herbert still drawing for teh Washington Post? Pamela: okay, now we're getting obscure Dr.D.: Herb Block? No, I think he has retired, or even died... Dr.D.: Okay, comics art is an interest...but not of general interest. rich-c: and we've lost Bill Mauldin, too... Dr.D.: <shuts up> rich-c: I saw little of teh St. Louis Post=Dispatch but gathered he was fulfilling his early promise Pamela: not not interested, just lost Daniel Bienvenu: Sorry to be quiet, I'm looking for the picture Dr.D talked about earlier tonight. Dr.D.: Unexposed to history, Rin :-) Dr.D.: or Pam rich-c: it's OK Daniel, it's nicer if you talk but just hanging about is fine too Dr.D.: Rin is lost too... Dr.D.: Agrees in <PRIVATE> that I should shut up about comix Rinious Red: I said nothing :-) Rinious Red: I'm watching Dr.D.: ha.. Rinious Red: and perhaps learning Rinious Red: but won't know til I can apply it Pamela: except that we're interchangeable, apparently Dr.D.: Google around for comics, you can find a lot of fan webpages devoted to the older strips. Dr.D.: With regard to interest in old comics, yes :-) rich-c: hey, Google for just about anything, it's there Rinious Red: I don't know a lot about comics really rich-c: you must be reading teh Globe&Mail Rinious Red: never have had any "have to" reads rich-c: it only has about half a dozen, one so stupid I can't bear to look at it rich-c: and two of the four single-panel ones are useless rich-c: oh, FBOFW is as close to a must read as you're likely to see Dr.D.: There is a one-panel in the PD called Bizzaro I think. Ronald West: need a cup of coffee- falling asleep.... brb Harvie: Just remembered another one "Moon Mullins" Dr.D.: It is usually interesting. Dr.D.: OMG haven't thought of MM for a long time. Pamela: the thing about FBorFW is that the characters age in real time Dr.D.: Yes. Dr.D.: Keeps the storylines from getting stale. Dr.D.: So is Lynn going to kill them all off with an asteroid or something> Dr.D.: ? rich-c: that was pioneered in Gasoline Alley rich-c: no, she'll just tie up the loose ends rich-c: personal guess: she'll wind up with Elizabeth's wedding Dr.D.: tie them all up and then drop the asteroid on them :-) Rinious Red: hehe Pamela: to Warren? Dr.D.: My bet is Anthony :-) Pamela: I thought Anthony and his wife just had a baby rich-c: is that her helicopter pilot? I don't think we've seen the last of him yet Pamela: Warren is, yes rich-c: they are going to find some way to get together Pamela: Although I can't argue your bet, Rich Dr.D.: Hints seem to have been dropped...but who knows. Dr.D.: Maybe they will all move to the US and become Republicans <runs> Rinious Red: LOL Pamela: the only thing I can come up with is the "long lost highschool sweetheart" has already been done with Michael and Deanna Dr.D.: That's true, Pam. Dr.D.: Wouldn't want to go to the well too often. rich-c: right now it looks like Elizabeth is setting up to be a norterner Pamela: and who here votes for dropping Mira Sobinski down the nearest well? Dr.D.: The asteroid will hit her. Pamela: now THAT would be fitting : ) james: lol rich-c: Michael? Deanna? her husband? james: maybe she'll marry the asteroid Dr.D.: Michael already threw her out of the house... Pamela: and we were all cheering for him at the time rich-c: oh, that isn't going to lst Dr.D.: Maybe Deanna's Dad will grow a spine and tell Moira to get stuffed, too. Pamela: I know, she never gives up Daniel Bienvenu: I didn't realize that there are so many pictures adamcon 16
(rich-c gives rich-c a nice tall frosty Guinness) Dr.D.: A lot happened there, Daniel :-) Pamela: you're late, Dad Rinious Red: does Meeka have hers up? Dr.D.: I think Daniel is looking at my stuff, though he can confirm or deny it. Rinious Red: ahhhhhh Pamela: that doesn't negate Erin's question Dr.D.: True. Pamela: FYI, all you Canadians - we can now confirm that the new PC lava cakes are "almost enough chocolate" Dr.D.: No representatives of the Slopsema clan here tonight. Pamela: as Dad would say Ronald West: back Ronald West: I believe in chocolate Pamela: the perfect food Ronald West: :) rich-c: remind me to send you teh chocolate joke, Pam Pamela: it's a platform I could get behind Dr.D.: I believe in Chocolate, its traditions and its ideals Rinious Red: hehe rich-c: I'll try to send you a copy too, Ron Rinious Red: I second that Harvie: I gotta go, new printer to install Pamela: Carried Ronald West: tks Pamela: good luck Harvie - g'nite Dr.D.: (That is a parody of the first line of the Creed of Theta Chi Fraternity) rich-c: OK Harvie, good having you by, see you next week Dr.D.: Bye Harvie Ronald West: good luck Harvie Harvie: Goodnight all
Harvie left chat session Daniel Bienvenu: bonne nuit Harvie Daniel Bienvenu: oops... too late Pamela: you know, I must start thinking of a more creative handle rich-c: Pam, what is Russell's Christmas schedule? Pamela: he's on midnights - I've been meaning to talk to you about that too Dr.D.: What did you have in mind, Pam? rich-c: that will mess things up thoroughly Pamela: I dunno, but plain old Pamela is getting repetitive rich-c: IO dunno, I've been rich-c since I came on Dr.D.: Queen of Chocolate? Pamela: and no, Rin, I'm not going to use Pammie : ) Ronald West: didn't we decide to use names that were recognizable? Rinious Red: awww Rinious Red: dang it Pamela: sorry hon Dr.D.: I would be Rich were it not for Richard. rich-c: besides when we get newbie visitors (not often, but) it helps Rinious Red: what about Spamela ;-) Pamela: no Pamela: no, no and no Dr.D.: Dr.D. is what Bob and others called me, it just kinda stuck. Rinious Red: hehehehe...just kidding Dr.D.: hahahahahaha Ronald West: toronto Pam I am I am Rinious Red: c'mon it fits with computer stuff Pamela: I'll still be recognizable Ron Dr.D.: Just don't make a Spoonerism of your maiden name, Pam... Pamela: ah, no rich-c: speaking of spam, have you all downloaded your Lycos screensavers yet? Daniel Bienvenu: Lycos what? Dr.D.: ? why would I do that Richard? I don't even know what they are. rich-c: the spam-killing screensaver Pamela: no, a spoonerism would have to be logical Rich rich-c: it's simple - it intercepts every spam and "clicks on" the link in it Daniel Bienvenu: the Yahoo mail service has a good anti-spam service. Daniel Bienvenu: more effective than hotmail Ronald West: speaking of spam Rinious Red: see it's a conversation piece :-) rich-c: the idea is to either break teh spammer's server or bankrupt him with bandwidth charges Ronald West: has anyone ever found a "case FOR spam" - Have been looking on the net (via google) for someone who defends it Ronald West: found none rich-c: put it on Bill Gates emailer; he gets 4 million spams a day Dr.D.: Canter & Siegel, the Green Card lawyers, defended it. Dr.D.: They were the first to spam every USENET newsgroup with an ad. Pamela: spam - the telemarketing of the internet Dr.D.: They bragged that they "hired a geek" to write the script to do it. Ronald West: thought it might have had something to do with freedom of speech, or something like that rich-c: that's the nice thing about the Lycos solution Ronald West: you couldn't sell viagra without it rich-c: it does just what teh email asks - answers it Dr.D.: C&S were immigration lawyers, hoping to get business in getting Green Cards (work permits). Pamela: I hope it backfired Dr.D.: big time rich-c: anyway, if you leave your computer on enogh to have teh screensaver running Dr.D.: they were mailbombed back to the stone age. Dr.D.: You could do it then. Pamela: yabba dabba doo rich-c: consider going to Lycos and downloading it - it's free to everyone rich-c: it could be mailbombing effective in even this day and age Dr.D.: Then they got the USENET DEATH PENALTY = 'conspiracy" by the Unix sysadmins running the network backbone to program routers to drop all data packets coming from their machines. Ronald West: thank you, I'll stick with my military aircraft Dr.D.: Not now, Richard, they would sue. Ronald West: I'm a Forces brat ya know Pamela: back when we still had a military Ronald West: point taken Pamela rich-c: sue for what? doing as they're asked to do" pretty hard to sue over that Dr.D.: It would be like the utlilty companies deciding to never let you connect to the power grid. rich-c: not at all - no one would be barring the spammers Guy B.: I'm still here. rich-c: more like thse internet to telephone diverters that charge you for 70 minutes to Uzbekistan Dr.D.: I am not convinced that "justice" and "the letter of the law" would be the same thing. rich-c: Guy, which part of Chicago are you in again? Dr.D.: I think the spammers win all court cases on technicalities. Dr.D.: Because that is how at least the US legal system works... rich-c: not when they're up against Lycos-level money Pamela: I feel the same way about spammers as telemarketers. rich-c: espeicially when they woud likely have a bit of undercover help from Microsoft, AT&T, ... Daniel Bienvenu: I think I finaly got the picture dr.d talked about. Dr.D.: It is a scam... Dr.D.: Pay for service...everyone can find you. rich-c: yes, Bell is taking big ads in our papers to warn about it Ronald West: Do these people honestly feel they're performing a service for mankind? Pamela: IMHO, I pay for a service and in return get a phone number / e-mail address which I should then be able to choose who will have it, and NO ONE else should have access to it Dr.D.: Pay a bit more so people can't find you...then other people can pay even more to overcome what you paid for. Daniel Bienvenu: are you talking about the ideas to contre spams? rich-c: how much spam are you getting, Pam? Dr.D.: Phone company is like that... Ronald West: and now for my next bitch Dr.D.: have phone service, you're in the phone book. rich-c: yes, Daniel, counter them by breaking them financially Dr.D.: Pay more, get unlisted number. Ronald West: Automated telephone answering services Daniel Bienvenu: I heard an idea about having to pay to send emails. Dr.D.: Pay more, get caller ID to see who is calling you. Pamela: hard to tell Dad, because I generally only download once or twice a week but I would say a quarter of what we get is spam Ronald West: especially those of government Dr.D.: Pay even more, override other person's caller ID block. rich-c: yes, Bill Gates always has ideas that just happen to make Microsoft money james: only a quarter, pam? you're doing quite well rich-c: how many emails do you get in a week, Pam? Pamela: well our e-mail wasn't really out there until recently Pamela: about 25 Dad james: if i look at what gets filtered on the server, i'm literally in the upper 90%s rich-c: so you're getting maybe a dozne spams a week? Pamela: give or take Pamela: usually less rich-c: I often get over 100 per day Ronald West: If I go look at Shaw's Webmail server, I see they're now intercepting a high percentage rich-c: and I am less plagued than most Ronald West: now and then one gets thru james: why it takes so long to shut down something that everyone loathes is beyond me Daniel Bienvenu: well, I have to admit that my mailbox receive 100% more spams than before. but all these spams are blocked with Yahoo anti-spam. james: thankfully because of my filter, i don't see much of it but i do go in once in awhile to check for false positivies Pamela: and that's my point - until recently, our e-mail address was not very high profile. As a result, we get fewer than most Dr.D.: Because spammers pay ISPs, too. james: *positives Daniel Bienvenu: but this anti-spam service is not safe because legitime emails can be blocked rich-c: to be honest, I do not trust other folks anti-spam blocking rich-c: it can result in the loss of critical emails because they look spammy to the heuristics Daniel Bienvenu: so I still have to check in the spam folder to see if there is any true emails. Dr.D.: never send "Subject: hi!" to me :-) Ronald West: same here Daniel james: as far as i'm concerned the probelm is a social one, not a technical one but until society catches up, we'll have to make do with technical solutions Daniel Bienvenu: my friends told me that I writted so many emails to them that their anti-spam filter decided that I'm a spammer rich-c: Pam, you shouldn't be getting any - what did you do wrong? Pamela: I looked for a job, Dad rich-c: right - some outfit you appplied to is dishonest, then Pamela: oh, who knows Dr.D.: I have just been handed (by Elanor) a big bowl of ice cream...so I think I am going to logout for tonight and eat it before it melts. rich-c: well, someone sold your address to a spammer Daniel Bienvenu: bye Dr.D! Rinious Red: have a good night Rich Rinious Red: see you next week? Dr.D.: good night, everyone. Pamela: good night, Rich - enjoy rich-c: OK, night for now, Rich Ronald West: leading me astray Dr. D. I have some Canadian Maple in the freezer Dr.D.: Next Wednesday, hmmm... Ronald West: maybe later james: lol, by rich Dr.D.: I think I am free. Exam week coming up at CWRU. james: *bye Ronald West: niters Dr. D Rinious Red: well here's to hoping :-) Dr.D.: Egg Hunt Saturday after next. Rinious Red: have a good week Dr.D.: I'll try, Erin. james: can't type for crap today. must be reading too much online, horrible spelling and grammar included Ronald West: you on streaming Dr. D? Ronald West: for the egg hunt Dr.D.: Not live, Ron, my ISP got devoured, new masters have no interest in it. Ronald West: oh right.... I remember that Dr.D.: So when I get video encoded later, you can watch it. rich-c: is your address no longer valid, then? Dr.D.: It's all up on the web now. Ronald West: good Dr.D.: No address is still valid. Dr.D.: They kept the domain name alive. Dr.D.: But the President and CEO I knew is now not part of the company. rich-c: OK, if that changes do warn us a.s.a.p Dr.D.: And nobody from the old crew was retained by the new overlords. Dr.D.: Yes I shall Richard. Dr.D.: So, good night to all! Dr.D.: <poof> Pamela: ciao
Dr.D. left chat session rich-c: nite Pamela: that does seem to happen more often in the States than in Canada Daniel Bienvenu: I'm still there. james: joe should join us for the chats sometime, we could help him with his logo stuff rich-c: Guy, did you miss my question about whaich part of Chicago you are in? Rinious Red: sigh.....10:45.....I need to go to bed....gotta get up early Ronald West: right. He sent me back to the LOGO manual Guy B.: Bye Rin Ronald West: nite Rin Daniel Bienvenu: Bye Rin! Pamela: okay sweetie - night for now Rinious Red: good night all Guy B.: I live west of Chicago.
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changed username to rich+c Daniel Bienvenu: hello rich bros Pamela: well it took you a while this time Dad rich+c: well. I got bounced a little later than usual james: fortunately, i had it open already rich+c: and did you notice it was just as Harvie and Rich left? Ronald West: (Rich+c)-(Rich-c) = james: one of these years, i do want to get around to decompiling it. maybe i'll get part of my life back when the kids are both in school Pamela: Rich
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james confirmed ban james: 0 james: sec no Daniel Bienvenu: Still there Rich? Ronald West: Rich+c * 2 james: so now can i not only not spell, i can't do basic algebra rich+c: the idea being, I can tell which twin is the evil twin ;-) Guy B.: Well folks, I'm going to go too. Won't make it for Saturday, so I'll see you all next week. Daniel Bienvenu: hehe Pamela: g'nite Guy. Daniel Bienvenu: bye Guy! rich+c: night Guy Pamela: when do you get the new device? Guy B.: I have to wait till January. james: i get 2c Ronald West: seems I'm no good at it either James. You were right Ronald West: 0 james: i still get 2c Ronald West: remove the brackets james: did that Guy B.: Bye . Poof james: so on the right you get -rich + c rich+c: Guy, if you're still there, I got dropped before I got whre you live
Guy B. left chat session Ronald West: Rich +c -Rich +c james: giving you rich + c - rich + c Ronald West: your right 2c james: = 2c.. i think Ronald West: been a while Pamela: he said west of Chicago, Dad rich+c: yes, I want to know the name of teh suburb Pamela: do the operations in the brackets first Pamela: remember BODMAS? Ronald West: BOMDAS rich+c: I've been in email correspondence with quite an Adam enthusiast in his area james: you can think of the - as a multiplier of negative 1 Ronald West: multiplication before division Pamela: I was taught division, then multiplication Pamela: definitely BODMAS james: mulitiplication and division are of the same order, doesn't matter Ronald West: yeah james: do multiplications and divisions before additions and subtractions Ronald West: that's right Ronald West: so now we've covered some grade 9 math james: lol Pamela: oh, my brain hurts james: oh, ron, you were an air traffic controller, right? Ronald West: exactly Pamela Pamela: it's too late at night for this Ronald West: no, James, just a Radio Operator. Ronald West: My final job was as a labour relations specialist in ATC - ended up doing business with Controllers rich+c: actually s I recall, Ron, you ended up controlling the controllers Ronald West: something like that Rich Pamela: am I stil here? Pamela: guess so rich+c: yes, daughter Pamela: thought I got dumped james: ok, was looking at formulae to calculate distances and directions between two points on earth Ronald West: after 1984, we were all in the same branch Ronald West: spherical trig james: yup Ronald West: I blew that one Pamela: actually, I think I had better follow Erin's example Ronald West: too much linear thinking james: i want to put a sign in front of my school showing the approximate distance and directions "as the crow flies" to various cities rich+c: OK Pam, trust we'll hear from you soon? Pamela: hopefully tomorrow evening Dad - perhaps as soon as I get home from work, about 5:30? rich+c: get a globe, a scale, and a string, james Ronald West: Have you got Microshaft Encarta? Pamela: that way I can watch TV in peace rich+c: whenever, I expect we'll be here james: found some stuff online and followed most of the derivation Ronald West: their Atlas will do that for you Pamela: okay. james: don't have encarta james: then i plugged in the two co-ordinates to a place online Ronald West: surely there must be somewhere on the net Daniel Bienvenu: Bonne nuit à tous! Ayez un bon mois de décembre malgré la neige! :-) james: and i really don't understand how they get 19 degrees north when ottawa is damn near due east of here james: bye dan! rich+c: merci, Daniel - a la prochaine Pamela: bonne nuit, Daniel Ronald West: Bonne nuit Daniel Daniel Bienvenu: (moi pas être en ligne ce samedi. rendez-vous avec amis) Pamela: I'm outta here too guys. Good luck with the trig james: bye pam rich+c: if you're below 30 degrees and Ottawa is above 45, that's consistent, james Daniel Bienvenu: *poof* rich+c: donc, bonne chance, Daniel james: sec, i've got co-ordinates for both
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Pamela left chat session Ronald West: We' Ronald West: we're 30 miles south of 50 Ronald West: slightly southeast of upnorth rich+c: think I will leave it to you two to do the math - it's bedtime here james: sec, my mom is online and she notices when i multitask Ronald West: right..... I have to go and get a start on my Christmas cards rich+c: goodnight, james and Ron james: 'nite! Ronald West: this year my heart isn't in i Ronald West: it Ronald West: but has to be done
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