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changed username to Harvie rich-c: good evening Harvie Harvie: Hi rich Harvie: Feelin cold and lonely? rich-c: are we starting ti get some snow? wasn't sure as I came in to the computer room Harvie: I can't tell, my blinds are down rich-c: anyway, definitely cold - my meds make me extra sensitive Harvie: Nope no snow here rich-c: looked like a very fine dusting was just starting rich-c: we use what ws intended to be a bedroom as the computer room - with blind drawn Harvie: The wind yesterday and this afternoon sure makes it feel colder rich-c: it's small and with the computer on very warm rich-c: tell me about it - I was out shopping twice - yikes! Harvie: Yes my AMD cpu sure puts out the heat rich-c: anyway, I'm wearing long johns, a winter shirt, and still need a woolen sweater Harvie: I worked outside yesterday and today rich-c: yes I have an Athlon too - it's running at about 46 °C rich-c: must have needed an icepick to get you in Harvie: Felt like it rich-c: it was bad enough just going across the parking lot to get the shopping cart rich-c: luckily when I went for my INR test and prescription, there was nearby parking for borh places Harvie: The weather is making me feel my age
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changed username to BobS rich-c: your age, ha! let me tell you about age... Harvie: Apparently I'm not a teenager any more rich-c: greetings, Roberto BobS: HI KIDS !!!! Harvie: Hiya Bobby BobS: we'uns is all alone tonight ? BobS: colder than sin here......and more on the way rich-c: for the moment, yes, but it's early days yet Harvie: Channel 24 says high of -1 tomorrow BobS: ya that's about right rich-c: yes, a buddy in Montreal phoned today = with windchill he had -32°C BobS: darn cold we call it BobS: and not liking it.......tis almost spring rich-c: we have rather more emphatic epithets, but that's teh general idea Harvie: 12 days to go BobS: and I think it will be a 'little' late rich-c: way it's been lately you rally can't predict anything much any more rich-c: we could be sunbathing by Friday week BobS: heck it almost does NOT look like spring will ever vome BobS: come BobS: oh no......cold right on thru next week rich-c: as you noted, it isn't even due to start for another ten days
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moved to room Meeting Place Harvie: Hello Daniel rich-c: ah, here's Daniel now Daniel B: hello BobS: yes but our normal is 45 F inthe daytie m and we are coming in at 20F rich-c: bonsir, Daniel
changed username to bair BobS: HI Daniel Daniel B: Did I miss something? Harvie: Hello Bob Bair rich-c: assez de froid chez vous? BobS: HEY Bair how are ya mon????? bair: hi every one Daniel B: oui, il fait froid et beaucoup de neige BobS: almost missed you coming in rich-c: nous n'avons de neige maintenant Harvie: He came in the same time as Daniel rich-c: hi robert teh bair, and mightily welcome BobS: how are you and Virginia doing in the cold of winter (but almost spring) ??? BobS: this cold sucks !!!!!!! bair: It has been a while thought I would come in and say hi
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changed username to Scott rich-c: you have been missed, Bob; we are always glad to see you Scott: Hello all Harvie: Hello Scott rich-c: hi Scott BobS: hey guys !!!!! did you see we made the news here little ol Grand Rapids ????? had a 90 car pileup onthe freewya just N of town !!! BobS: Hi Scott Scott: Wow, that's twice in a row now. BobS: what's 2 in a row? rich-c: when did this happen, Bob? didn't see it earlier today Scott: Dan: I have been working nonstop on The Font Suite and progress has been excellent! BobS: yesterday @ 9am bair: She is doing fine and I am getting ready to retire from tower Daniel B: nonstop? wow! Scott: Will give it to you to review in one week BobS: about 50 cars going south and 40 going north.....whiteout in a snow squall Scott: Nonstop in my free time Daniel B: ok :) rich-c: I am in facour of retirement, Bob - heartily recommend it to anyone Scott: Probably spent 30+ hours on it BobS: HEY that is no fair ....this retirement talk....I can't yet....... Scott: I'm a little drained, but happy with its progress rich-c: wasn't it on a superslab then, Bob? Scott: May give it to you a little earlier, who knows? BobS: then you can do the civil defense full time ?????? BobS: superslab ??????? bair: I have been there for 3o years rich-c: interestate BobS: go fo it mon !!!!!!! Scott: Rich: My wife and I have decided that we want to move back to the east coast bair: yes BobS: yes interstate divided w/ median Scott: We have decided on Charlotte, NC. Scott: DC area WAY too expensive now rich-c: that's an interesting choice Scott: Will be going through all of my boxes and hopefully will find the hard drive rich-c: nice city if you're a NASCAR fan Scott: My dad said I have it, but I haven't come across it yet. May be at his house. rich-c: not hard disc, Scott, a 5.25 floppy BobS: see ???? you are lookin Scott: That's right, a floppy BobS: fore the wrong thing !!! Scott: But I'm sure you'd be happy with a hard drive, right?
(BobS reboots Scott's computer remotely.) rich-c: I admit I wouldn't toss it back! Scott: If it's in my house, will come across it shortly. Scott: My wife and I need to get out of this elevation and unforgivably dry climate. Scott: I like water, trees. rich-c: yes, if housiung prices are too high in Hcarlotte you can always move across the street into South Carolina BobS: like the humid midwet country, eh Scott? Scott: Housing prices are awesome right now. Scott: I could buy twice the house for the same price as mine Scott: Plus there's a lot of technology companies either in or moving into Charlotte rich-c: yes, in the hot areas prices are totally ridiculous Daniel B: I like helping new coleco projects, do you need help for your fontsuite software?
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changed username to Pamela rich-c: they're a little out of the TEchnology Triangle though, aren't they? Scott: Basically, one could get a 3000 sq ft house w/.5 acre for $180,000 USD Harvie: Hello Pam BobS: pamela BobS: !!!!!1 Scott: I just need some help testing. Pamela: Hello rich-c: hi daughter Daniel B: I can do that
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changed username to james Scott: The Font Suite is a Visual Basic app, so it's not officially a ColecoVision project BobS: James from JAPAN !!!!! long time no see Harvie: Hello James BobS: ata least a week or so Pamela: Hi James james: i think three. how is everyone? Scott: I will need help with sound and music for DragonMaster rich-c: yes Bib but there are concentrations - oursx are Waterloo and Ottawa areas BobS: Bib ????? who dat ???? rich-c: good morning james, didn't see you slip in BobS: farn dingers Scott: Dan: You're a Visual Basic 5.0 programmer, right? Pamela: someon later than I, thank goodness BobS: and Ron Mitchell is still not here pam Daniel B: yes james: well, i'm pretty small, good at slipping in. part of my ninja trainint rich-c: nor for that matter is Guy, but he's always late james: *training BobS: true Richard rich-c: or on time if you translate to Central Time Pamela: appears everyone has farn dingers tonite BobS: naw he is still alte BobS: late james: i hate this keybroad james: *keyboard BobS: WATCH YOUR FINGERS GIRL !!!! rich-c: what is it on, james? james: aplogies to the womenfolk Daniel B: I programmed my graphic editor ICVGM in VisualBASIC Pamela: 'twasn't me, sir james: what is what on? BobS: the keyboard rich-c: the keyboard you're complaining about - a laptop? Pamela: however, having appeared, I think I shall go get myself something to eat james: i used to have an ergonomic keyboard but it died james: so now i'm using a $15 piece of crap BobS: alwasy hungry eh? Pamela: naw, just haven't been hungry till now Pamela: I'll be back rich-c: just no pleasing some foklk... Pamela: (*food*) BobS: whoa !!!!!! a keyboard called "that" ?????? now, now rich-c: to me a keyboard is a keyboard is a keyboard - unless it's on a laptop james: it's hard to go back to a regular keyboard james: i find it much slower BobS: and IF you get the right laptop, the keyboard is alright BobS: Rich Drushel had an apple one at convention and it was TINY.....my fingers would not fit rich-c: I see claims to that effect, Bob, but I'm dubious Scott: Sorry, had to give the dogs something to eat rich-c: they are certainly no joy on my old Dell BobS: I like the toshiba one, other than some odd placement of keys like delete......it is almost like the ADAM for feel Harvie: Ilike the irony of an ergonomic keyboard dying, not the operatop Scott: Yes, I briefly checked out your VB app awhile back. Scott: Will look at it again Daniel B: Which version you have? Scott: Not sure, it was awhile ago Scott: It was good. My memory's a little fuzzy, though. Daniel B: I think I can do the same software in Java... but with time. Scott: Has anyone in the room ever been to Charlotte, NC? rich-c: yes, a couple of times Scott: What was your experience? rich-c: among other things we went to their science centre BobS: nope rich-c: unfortunately I could barely pull Frances out of teh computer section before they closed ; - ) BobS: got Frances online yet thru wireless???? rich-c: we were camping, teh campground is run by the amusement park - Six Flags or something? Scott: Yes, Java is time consuming Scott: That's why I started in Visual Basic first. rich-c: not that she can't, Bob, she won't Scott: Visual Basic is good for prototyping an app BobS: WELL........the nerve rich-c: never mind, I tried "hard" networking and somehow blew it rich-c: she can get on the internet though BobS: so that is good, just don't let her buy too much stuff on Ebay rich-c: don't worry, she wouldn't BobS: it can get addicting though rich-c: she might give most of the house away on Freecycle, though Daniel B: yes, very good for prototyping, but my vb projects stay in VB. Scott: My VB projects will eventually jump ship... maybe! Scott: Dan: You're from the Toronto area, right? Daniel B: well, I programmed my editors in QuickBASIC 4.5, but I reprogrammed them in VB... mostly because DOS is not used anymore, and because of that the mouse pointer doesn't appear. Daniel B: Me? from Quebec rich-c: no, Daniel lives in Ste. Foy, Quebec, and is much more comfortable in French rich-c: though in fact his English is far better than he believes james: i'd say his english is better than quite a few native speakers rich-c: and you wouldn' rich-c: t get much argument, james Scott: I've had the opportunity to take classes in French several times, but I always have a hard time justifying it, since most of you already speak English Daniel B: I learned my english with the internet... rich-c: well, English is the predominant language in Canada
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changed username to Dr.D. Daniel B: ;-) Harvie: Hi Doc rich-c: in fact now I think French is behind Chinese and Italian, among others BobS: the infamous Dr Drushel !!!!! Pamela: well, hello Rich BobS: hey doc Dr.D.: Infamous :-) Scott: I didn't know that English was your second language Dr.D.: Meesa here. rich-c: hi Rich Dr.D.: Late supper tonight, just finished dishes. james: i don't think it's behind italian. chinese maybe Scott: Muy bien Dr.D.: And I see Bob Bair, hello Bob. james: in hong couver, i'd have no doubt of it Scott: I am forced to speak Spanish since my wife is Colombian bair: hi rich how are you Scott: But I don't understand a word of French rich-c: in my neighbourhood it's pretty much a dead heat between Italian and Hebrew Dr.D.: Very good Bob, long time no chat. Scott: Dr. D: Ever visit Charlotte, NC? Pamela: actually, Scott they're very similar Dr.D.: But that applies to me, too. Wednesdays are bad this semester for late chats. bair: yea it has been a long time rich-c: long as you can say "Juan Pablo Montoya" you're OK, Scott Dr.D.: Yes, twice, Scott.
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left chat session Dr.D.: Once to visit my Finnish penpal who was working 5 weeks at IBM Raleigh-Durham. bair: this is the most i seen in at one time rich-c: well Guy and Ron are still to come and they aree quite regular Dr.D.: I thought it was nice, under-populated. BobS: it IS a good crowd tonight bob Scott: It's growing at a pretty rapid rate
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changed username to <undefined> Dr.D.: If you are cosmopolitan in outlook, it will be too insular and intolerant for you. bair: i like small cities better Dr.D.: They harrass Asians, Indians, and blacks. Scott: Hmmm rich-c: yes, it's pretty much NASCAR's home base - there is a lot of good ol' boy attitude around BobS: well DAT'S not nice Dr.D.: Even Ohio will do that south of a line from Sandusky to Akron to Youngstown. Dr.D.: If you have any international-student type friends, they will be harrassed. Pamela: so do we have a lurker, or someone having trouble getting on I wonder rich-c: yeah, Ohio's own Mason-Dixon line, so to speak Dr.D.: And it will be hard to find varied cuisine. Scott: Yeah, I have a hispanic wife, so that is something to consider, since that area of the US is the south Scott: Northern VA isn't so much thought of as the south
<undefined> changed username to eric rich-c: I think the Americans with problems with Hispanics are limited to certain areas BobS: HEY Eric made it in!!!! Welcome mon Dr.D.: If she is very Hispanic, Scott, she might get some comments from the especially ignorant. rich-c: hello eric, good to see you back Pamela: to go back to what I was saying Scott, you'll find you understand more French than you think. Spanish and French have the same root, as I'm sure you know, and many of the words are so similar that it's hard to tell what language you're speaking sometimes Dr.D.: Especially if she has an accent. Pamela: Hi Eric Scott: She's been mistaken as being Asian, which is funny james: what city are we talking about? Pamela: Charlotte, NC rich-c: Charlotte NC
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changed username to ron Dr.D.: It is still not as developed-up as other places in the US. BobS: AND richard is not getting vounced with all these users around !!!!! BobS: a miracle rich-c: and Scott, re what Pamela wasaying - after I finished high school (French mandatory) I was on a bus in New York City Harvie: My friends from Dana Corp told methat North Carolinians in general resist anyone not born in NC Pamela: Greetings Ron BobS: YOU Ronald ron: greetings! BobS: welcome welcome bair: night all the phone is ringing Pamela: night Bair Dr.D.: That is a change; has Richard fixed his computer? BobS: how's the west caost ?????
eric confirmed ban Harvie: Hi Ron rich-c: A man with a Spanish newspaper stood in front of me and I could get the drift of every story Dr.D.: Bye Bob. ron: sunny, warm BobS: nite bob
bair left chat session Dr.D.: Hello Mighty Mitchell. Daniel B: bye bob ron: Hey! Bob Bair, was it something I said? Scott: Asians will come up to her and speak in their native language and she has to tell them in English she doesn't understand. BobS: :-) ron: eve Dr.D BobS: that is cute !! ron: Just getting dark here BobS: huh ?????? rich-c: hello Ron (belatedly) ron: Hi Rich BobS: been dark for hours here Dr.D.: Is she Spanish-descended Hispanic, or Indian-descended Hispanic? If the latter, there are lots of Asian features. james: hi ron! rich-c: he's three hours behind us, remember? ron: Hey James! james: first time on in weeks ron: yes, we move more slowly here on the Island james: been pretty busy here BobS: and THAT is not all bad Ron BobS: slow is good ron: fer sure eh? rich-c: wait till we get near the solstice - Ron will be able to read without artificial light past 10 p.m. Dr.D.: If the island is moving, it must be on the back of a whale :-) ron: yup ron: no Dr. D. just a couple of randomly arranged tectonic plates ron: which could leave us floating at any minute rich-c: I dunno - St. Helens is grumbling again - got to wonder what's going on down below ron: yup Scott: Dr. D: She's a little of each Scott: Pamela: What I can't get past is the pronunciation ron: it's all related apparently rich-c: does a tsunami on one side mean look for The Big One on the other? ron: we've had flurries of quakes about 250 miles west of the Island Pamela: I know Scott, it takes a bit of work but you get used to it. I had to, during the two semesters I had French and Spanish back to back , with the same teacher no less Scott: Pam: A french girl tried to teach me to pronounce au revior. Thought it was sooo strange ron: nothing very big, but there Scott: Spanish has always been a snap for me, thogh. rich-c: maybe you just didn't want to hear those particular words... Dr.D.: Na habla espanol. Scott: Obviously ron: ROTFL Dr.D.: Or something to that effect. ron: I like Scott's sense of humour Dr.D.: Elanor is the Spanish-speaker at home. Scott: El queso esta viejo y podrido. Donde esta el bano? ron: huh? Scott: An old joke from the movie Encino Man Pamela: El bano esta en la casa : ) ron: something is in the house Scott: Pamela, miraste la pelicula Encino Man? BobS: probably just a burgler Pamela: Rich - yo hablo, usted habla BobS: or a deer ron: :) Scott: Nos hablamos Pamela: no, Scott Scott: Anyway... ron: Hi Harvey! ron: Harvie ron: (sorry) Scott: Ron - progress has been good on The Font Suite Harvie: Howdy ron: been watching the traffic Scott: Will have a reviewable copy to you next week. Pamela: Hay muchos anos que hablan en Espanol, Scott Pamela: no tengo practicar ron: good. I shall look forward to that Dr.D.: Meesa canna speak no ferrin tongyoos. Scott: Hay muchos anos que no hablaste en Espanol? Pamela: si Scott: Quanto? Dr.D.: 'Ceptin' gut alt deutsch ron: You've lost me Pamela: no se - diez, once Harvie: I'm unilingual, I can only decimate English :) Dr.D.: Die Leute, die deutsch nicht sprechen ko"nnen, sind doof :-) rich-c: jsut exchanging views on how long ago Pam took Spanish and how long since she used it, Ron Pamela: Oh I'm best at that Harvie Dr.D.: BobS might be able to figure that out out. ron: thank you Dr.D.: that one out Scott: Es bastante tiempo. BobS: nope got some but not the last and the Leute Dr.D.: Hocus pocus Dr.D.: Loco parentis BobS: don't speak german BobS: ......... Dr.D.: Jackie Onasss Dr.D.: Dino DiLaurentis! Scott: Yo hablo cada dia, pero necesito ir a la escuela si quiero estar mejor Pamela: no tengo algien hablarse ron: illegitimae non carborundum Scott: Hablo conmigo Dr.D.: ADAMcon.org was brought to you by numero quatro and the letter zed Pamela: how did Latin get into the mix??? ron: Ha Harvie: Dos cevesas por favor Scott: There you go, Harvie! Pamela: su espuesa, es Espanol o Mexicano? Dr.D.: ADAMcon.org was made possible by grants from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting ron: trop de langues Scott: Dos Coronas con limas por favor! Dr.D.: My head hurts :-) rich-c: si nous voulons parler en langue tranger, il y a beaucoup de francais ici Scott: There you go, a little French and I'm totally lost. Dr.D.: So I am going to logout and take some Tylenol...had to wait too long to eat supper tonight. rich-c: thats cervezas, I believe Dr.D.: Nite-nite, all. Pamela: mais Papa, parler plus bien l'Espanol BobS: be good doc and be well Scott: No importa si entiendo un poco de Espanol ron: eat Dr. D. 'tis the sustenance of life Dr.D.: Enjoyez-vous youse conversation internatonale rich-c: take it easy, Rich Dr.D.: Hailing frequencies closed. ron: energize Harvie: I think I'll follow the Doc out the door Dr.D.: <poofez-vous>
Dr.D. left chat session Pamela: gnite Pamela: oops ron: Dan Rather resigns Daniel B: me? rich-c: Art getting to you again after all that cold, Harvie? ron: he looks like Hell ron: No Daniel, the newscaster on TV james: sorry, will space out for a bit Daniel B: like Hell? Harvie: Yessirr rich, goodnight all rich-c: comme l'enfer ron: no you sir... watching TV rich-c: OK, spring will arribe yet Scott: The newscaster who got busted breaking a poorly researched story...
Harvie left chat session Scott: That guy... ron: bring back Walter Cronkite Pamela: finalmente, Scott, tengo dos amigos al trabajo que hablan Espanol Scott: That's most of the news media, right? ron: poorly researched and inaccurate rich-c: well, I gather the was somewhat more to the story than that, Scott Scott: Muy bien. Porque no practicas con ellos? Pamela: no tengo el tiempo Scott: Cronkite phone home... Pamela: it's takes too long to communicate in English,never mind what little Spanish I have left Pamela: I've lost all my tenses Scott: There's always more to the story. ron: ADAMs are about to b e packed in boxes Pamela: not to mention, one of them is hard of hearing - I can't imagine what his hearing aid would do with my Spanish ron: I have about a month to get my act together BobS: moving ?????? Scott: I would like to minor in Spanish. ron: yes Scott: Maybe after I move... Pamela: did you sell the house Ron? BobS: and then you are apartment bait ???? ron: not far, only about 6 blocks ron: not yet, but today I had an appraisal done james: how many adams do you have, ron? Scott: Big money??? Pamela: and they told you to clean out the snakepit, right? ron: there's one lady who came to the door in January, spoke to her today, she's still interested rich-c: start moving early, Ron, that's a lot of wheelbarrow loads ;-) ron: number of ADAMS = 6 Pamela: that's good advice rich-c: hey, that's barely enough to get by on BobS: call 2 men and a truck or similar mover types ron: going to hire a mover for the big stuff, but hopefully I'll have a couple of weeks before a prospective buyer wants this place Pamela: we moved from one side of the street to the other, and it still took us three UHaul loads and three panel van loads full ron: take the duplex April 15 BobS: kind of a do it yourselfer deal only they move that stuff rich-c: you can put off closing on the house, Ron, as long as it's in the sales agreement ron: there's the piano ron: for which I'll need help Scott: Daniel: I have other Visual Basic project in mind Scott: But I'm starting with The Font Suite Scott: There's an animation package I would also like to put together BobS: ouch, that is heavy Pamela: get piano movers Ron - it's worth the extra money ron: yes, Bob, there's lots of small movers here ron: will get it tuned again after the move ron: it was built in 1902 ron: so was I BobS: the piano ???? ron: yes rich-c: just don't try to move it yourself - or you will regret it greatly ron: nope james: you were built in 1902, ron? ron: not a chance BobS: cool a true antique Daniel B: Other VB projects in mind? Scott: Will probably work more on my web-based app first ron: some days I feel like that james: lol Pamela: don't we all : ) Scott: Yes, The Animation Studio - Sprite editing and animationg Daniel B: sorry if my answers are slow :-) ron: I'm sure the universe will unfold as it should Daniel B: or late Scott: Also a tile editor and environmental map editor Scott: So, at least 2 more projects Pamela: Ron, if you can manage it, do what Kimberly and Art did Scott: In VB, that is. ron: which was/ ron: ? Daniel B: The sprites animation is a project I need to do for 3d cave to animate combat with sprites BobS: speak oh Pamela Pamela: pack everything boxable that you can and save out only what you need for moving day and that will fit in the car, such as clothing and dishes Pamela: move the boxes the night before rich-c: hint: the size of a move is measured in units of pizza and beer Pamela: and have the movers move just the furniture BobS: I LIKE that Richard ron: yes, that's the intent Pamela: actually Burger King and cola, Dad Scott: This is a game you are working on? Pamela: it worked beautifully for them rich-c: this is a grown-up move, daughter Scott: You're building a 3D game on the ColecoVision? Scott: Most of what I want to do are RPGs Pamela: trust me, no on wants beer when they're so tired they can hardly stand up Scott: So I'm building an RPG engine for ColecoVision rich-c: no comment ; = ) Daniel B: yes, I showed my idea of doing a 3d game with pre-calculated frames. and the concept is oriented now to a role playing game in this environment Pamela: and you don't want to feed them beer, unless you want 15 houseguests on your first night in the new place ron: true Scott: Interesting. Did you send a ROM to the ColecoADAM list? rich-c: oh, only enough to rehydrate them after sweating off so much liquid Scott: I think I saw it, but forgot to download it. ron: Expecting Sister Steph and hubby Floyd over the weekend before. That will be my birthday weekend. So I said I'd provide cake and ice cream ron: And son will be here I expect Pamela: if you have the stamina and the will Ron, it's the best way. If I ever have to move again (please no!) that's what I'll plan on doing ron: so if I'm not straightened out by then, they'll straighten me Scott: Daniel: You're idea sounds interesting. Scott: Are you planning to release this after the documentation? Scott: Perhaps I could add a few features to The Font Suite that would aid you with development Scott: How are you using the VDP? Pamela: I was going to suggest you ask your soon to be daughter in law, but she'll be knee deep in wedding plans. One crisis at a time. Scott: I assume you are playing around with the Name Table quite extensively. Scott: Sorry, Dan. I'm a fast typer. ron: @Scott, Daniel - do you guys find that ADAMs memory limits what you feel you can do? I mean you must be used to having way more available memory than ADAM provides Pamela: isn't that the challenge though Ron? To work with what you have in the way of memory and do it anyway? ron: yes. Code has to be compact Scott: Ron: Occasionally it is a problem, but it's amazing what you can squeeze into a few K if you are coding in assembly. ron: yep Scott: The Font Suite originally was coded in assembly, and I am still trying to figure out how to bring all of the functionality into the VB environment. ron: Cousineau had that down to a science. BobS: that was the point back then.......compared to today's standard and available power, they had to do a REAL job to mkae it work Scott: Yeah, that guy was GOOD!
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changed username to Guy B. ron: he found spaces that Coleco didn't even know about Scott: Very interesting... Pamela: hey, Guy rich-c: welcome, Guy Guy B.: Greetings. Just finished filing my income taxes. BobS: hiya guy ron: Mr. Bona I presume james: programming today is very wasteful ron: bloatware Scott: I would love to be able to program a cartridge larger than 32K, though. james: code like crap, no thought into making it efficient. just get a faster cpu and more memory james: @scott, we're workign on that one Scott: It appears that doing a multicart is too expensive ron: that's it Scott: Multicarts have been done, though. Pamela: well gents, I'm going to bow out - I still have some things to do before bed rich-c: well isn't there a limitation in the way the Adam BIOS splits memory into two exclusive parts? ron: night Pamela. Be well BobS: be good Pam rich-c: OK Pam, take care in the cold Scott: For the ADAM, I thought the limitations were only in software. Pamela: Night Ron. Take care of yourself. ron: oh yes Guy B.: Guess I'll give you that Diet Coke next time Pam. Bye. Scott: Good night, nice chatting with you. Pamela: I will, Dad. It's not been to bad. ron: one packing box at a time Scott: At least my father said that at one time... Pamela: y tu tambien, Scott : ) rich-c: not too good either - but glad you're coping rich-c: anyway, sleep tight Pamela: I'll call soon Daddy BobS: but software limitations are directly dependent on hardware, no ????? Scott: I'm interested in seeing what a 3D game on the ColecoVision would look like. Pamela: g'nite all Pamela: kerpoof ron: or was that, get tight and sleep ron: no, guess not Guy B.: I've been giving this a little more thought and I'm leaning towards hosting next years Adamcon.
Pamela left chat session Scott: Yeah, but it you can build the hardware, then your only problem is software, right? james: @guy, you're in michigan, right? BobS: good Guy.....we willhelp ya you know Guy B.: Illinois James. james: sorry ron: Chicago - here we come ron: yeah! james: no offence intended. heh heh :D rich-c: just pick a place to the southeast of Chicago, Guy, so we dont get tolled to death going places BobS: we WON'T let him into Michigan James Scott: My dad almost finished an ADAMNet hard drive. He got too frustrated programming the driver software, though. Scott: Hardware worked just fine. Guy B.: I have a place in mind and Jeanene will help me out. ron: sounds good Guy Scott: Dan: What's the game concept for your 3D ColecoVision project? Guy B.: Now, just to get ready for this year's con. BobS: YES Guy Scott: Uh, Dan??? Scott: Simon says, Dan?
(rich-c gives rich-c a nice tall frosty Guinness) BobS: you can't give it to yourself richard
(Scott like playing Coleco games! =D) Scott: Bizarre! rich-c: well, there's one sitting here beside me and I went and fetched and deliver3ed it BobS: well drink UP BobS: and do NOT spill ron: Next door neighbour is barbecuing steak rich-c: gently, Bob, savouring each flavourful drop BobS: ah beg some ron !!! ron: must close the deck door...... or open it wider...not sure which
(BobS smiles) Scott: Daniel, are you still there??? rich-c: it hass just started snowing here - as if we didn't have troubles enough already
(An Adam tape drive whirs noisily.) BobS: oh YUCK ron: poor Toronto BobS: Ron, they LIKE it !!! we inthe states are ready for spring ! rich-c: those crocodile or alligator tears, Ron? ron: Shouldn't mention this, but our forsythia is in bloom BobS: right Guy ????? ron: all fake Rich rich-c: no, you shouldn't mention it BobS: Judy says to Ron......must be nice, I am jealous ron: sorry Guy B.: I'm ready for spring. rich-c: actually, the snow means a warmer air mass is arriving BobS: the man here says another alberta clipper is ON THE WAY ron: yes, warm air being forces upward over the back of a cold front rich-c: by Saturday we may even get above freezing briefly BobS: not here mon Scott: We had snow for a half hour yesterday, then the sun came out and melted it up. You wouldn't have guessed there was snow earlier in the day Scott: Only in Colorado! ron: Where are you Scott? Denver? rich-c: yes, despite daytime highs of -12°C, the sun has been strong enugh to melt snow and ice Scott: Yes, Denver ron: aha Scott: Aurora, to be more precise Guy B.: I heard and I think it's by the weekend. Scott: We have some of the wackiest weather Scott: Today was beautiful ron: Hell, thought Aurora was just outside Seattle Scott: But had to work indoors all day :( ron: bummer Scott: It may be, but it's also to the East of Denver. rich-c: well, you should be in the rain shadow of the Rockies, Scott, so have a dry climate ron: yes, guess there is more than one Scott: Charlotte has 3-4X as much rainfall. rich-c: also, with the wind coing off Vail Pass, there should be considerable adiabatic cooling - chinook stuff Scott: Did I mention that I like rain? ron: It's also an aircraft that serves the Canadian Forces on coastal patrol ron: come west young man, come west Scott: Ever heard of the Royal Canadian Kilted Yacksmen? james: "go west.." ron: ummm.... no rich-c: do we want to ;-0 ? ron: right James Scott: I was one of my favorite Ren & Stimpy episodes. james: 'twas a laddie who said to his lassie "take a look under me kilt" james: "that's gruesome!" she exclaimed ron: :) james: "look again, it grew some more!" he replied Scott: They even came up with a theme song. One bizzarre show! ron: can't be any worse that Spongebob Squarepants Scott: I don't know. Ren & Stimpy was way ahead of its time Daniel B: Sorry, my sister needed the computer Scott: There is life! ron: sisters Scott: Dan: What's your game concept for the 3D ColecoVision game? rich-c: need to get a little old laptop, Daniel Scott: Is it a tank game? rich-c: might not do much but it will access the internet Daniel B: the project 3d cave still in work in progress. no rom was done, but some screenshots Daniel B: based on what I suppose it will looks like Scott: Sounds cool. Would like to see when ready. rich-c: don't I recall a game called "Mo9dem tank" for teh Adam? Daniel B: my idea is to use the screen mode "multicolored big pixels" no one use BobS: yup. shot at each other over the mountain Scott: I guess if you REALLY wanted to, I could send you my current version of The Font Suite. rich-c: no, that was "Artillery Duel" - this one was written to be played online BobS: ok Scott: I am working on the Save routines, so you won't be able to save your work. But at least you'll get to test the usability of the tool. rich-c: I think Chris Braymen wrote it Daniel B: because of its specification, this screen mode help to refresh the entire screen very fast Scott: And see the direction it's going. james: time for lunch here Daniel B: but because of this screen mode, there is no way to see nice hi-res graphics... except by using sprites james: i will see you all again next week, but likely not on the 24th Scott: I have the theme song from The Royal Kilted Canadian Yacksmen in my head. BobS: almost time for bed here James Scott: Can't get it out... BobS: be good say HI to the wife andkids !!!!! Daniel B: that's why I will use sprites for the ennemis in the cave james: will do. bye, everyone! rich-c: OK James, enjoy and take care. See you anon. Scott: Bye! ron: niters Bob....niters Judy Daniel B: bye james
james left chat session BobS: I am not gone yet Ron,,,,,,just James ron: oh ok ron: I'm ok, the world's all tangled up Scott: I'm gonna need to get off soon. Falling asleep and need to work on The Font Suite Daniel B: my first idea with 3d cave was a simple maze game Scott: Must have been that slice of ice cream cake I had Guy B.: James sure leaves quick Scott: So it's developed into a full fledged RPG? ron: there he was, gone Scott: Kind of like Shining in the Darkness (Sega Genesis) Daniel B: but now, the projects is growing... without programming any line of code. Scott: Or more like Escape from the Mindmaster? ron: projects have a way of doing that rich-c: btw, Scott, did you see the offering on the mailing list today? Daniel B: I only calculated the size of the pre-calculated frames in the ROM and it will takes about 16k with the software to show them rich-c: lots of used Colecovision game cartridges Scott: Yeah, that did catch my eye. Daniel B: so, the game story and the game engine cannot be too complex Scott: So you should have enough space, right? Daniel B: if I want nice graphics for the ennemis Scott: Are you still gonna program in C? Daniel B: yes, enough space Daniel B: yes, programming in C but also in ASM Scott: You'll save a little space working entirely in ASM, but more headaches, too. Daniel B: I program some parts in ASM to have more control on the timings ron: In a C environment you can go to ASM, right? Daniel B: you can use functions made in ASM Daniel B: in C language ron: ok Scott: Dan and Ron: Would you like to play around with an early copy of The Font Suite or wait another week for a more finished product? Daniel B: the asm function need to be adapted to read the parameters and return a value if needed. Daniel B: continue your nonstop work on fontsuite. I can wait another week. ;-) ron: I'll wait for the finished product Scott. Will probably do an article on it for ANN - will be the first one I've written in years Scott: Ok, so I'll have something farther along for y'all to look at next week. ron: good man Scott: It's pretty solid, just needs a few things written. Scott: Like Save/Load functionality. ron: just little things eh? >: Scott: Right now you can extract and save to ROMs, but my Save to HTML, Save to ASM and Save to .tfs need work ron: that ron: is going to be a great programmers tool Scott Scott: Daniel - what features might you need for editing an 8 X 8 fontset? Scott: I ask, because I've only asked myself what my needs are, not anyone else. ron: The ability to see what it looks like, and be able to work on it at the same time ron: so I'd be reading and writing to the character table at the same time ron: name table, I mean Daniel B: Well, the evolution of my tool ICVGM was based on programmers needs. ron: change of foreground and background colours on the fly Daniel B: the new version is the support for the multicolor mode (screen mode 2) Scott: Support for 8 X 16 and 16 X 16 fonts will come later ron: right Scott: Ron: I believe I've addressed all those issues with my tool. ron: ability to save font sets Scott: Yeah, I have left saving fonts for last. ron: I'm assuming you're going to make it possible to load a font set into smartbasic? Scott: Perhaps that should have been one of the first things I worked on? Scott: Well, I'll just allow the user the option of saving in .fnt format ron: depends on your approach and programming philosophy I guess Daniel B: the only thing I were unable to do for ICVGM is to add copy and paste buttons to copy and paste a set of characters. Scott: Just like FontPOWER fonts. ron: ok. I've used that one Daniel B: not the full set, but a part of it Guy B.: Well folks, got to run. Maybe Saturday, depends what I have going. Otherwise, I'll see you all next week. Scott: Dan: Sounds like a pretty easy thing. BobS: well gang....got to leave for tonight....been REAL !!!!! ALL be good, safe and have FUN this coming week !!!!! ron: See ya Guy.....Chicago 2006 Daniel B: yes, but not easy to integrate in the code I've made. Scott: Guess it depends on how your fontsets are set up. BobS: so goodbye for now.....parting is such sweet sorrow.............. ron: yeah.... packing boxes Bob
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Guy B. left chat session ron: niters Scott: Sure. That's another feature I need to add. Cutting and pasting ranges of fonts into other font sets. Scott: I had that in mind, but forgot about it. ron: that's a good idea.. the list gets longer, the more I think about it..... how about different colour combinations for different letters in a font set? Scott: 256 theoretically, right? ron: Can't even remember how the colours work with the name table Daniel B: errr... I'm not sure we can count the invisible color as a color. ron: yes 256 rich-c: nite Guy and Bob ron: probably not. Didn't Powerpaint have a problem with that? Scott: No... DON'T GO!!! Daniel B: I used it in icvgm, but was never used Scott: PowerPAINT didn't make the transparent color available. rich-c: think I will leave the coding discussions to teh experts - see you all next week ron: that's right Daniel B: bye Rich! rich-c: goodnight all Scott: Bye, sob :( ron: night Rich Daniel B: sorry for the too technical discussion rich-c: bonsoir, Daniel Daniel B: bonsoir Rich
rich-c left chat session ron: that's why we're supposed to be here really Scott: True. ron: we digress..... a lot Scott: Dan: Would like to help you with your 3D game, if I can Daniel B: yes, but the top 10 questions here are about healt, weather and politics. Daniel B: and also languages Scott: Ha! ron: :) right Daniel B: Well Scott, why not continuing this discussion by email? I'm falling asleep. Scott: That was actually the first time I ever really spoke to Pam Scott: Yes, agreed. Scott: Need some shuteye myself. Scott: Bye all. ron: yeah, where you guys are it's later ron: nite sleep well Daniel B: Actually, the 3d part is virtually done, only the game engine is not decided yet. Scott: No, actually it's only 9:15 here ron: you're on Central Scott: No, MST ron: nol... mountain Daniel B: so 3d cave is virtually done for the 3d part. Scott: Hope to make it back to EST Scott: That's great. Daniel B: good night Scott, Ron! Scott: Send me some screenshots. ron: nite all ron: I go Scott: Night. ron: Law and Order is on ron: :)
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