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changed username to Harvie Harvie: Hi rich rich-c: hi Harvie - early in as usual I see Harvie: Creature of habit rich-c: how are matters going with you? Harvie: As usual, could be better, could be worse rich-c: I reckon if I'm going to do it might as well get it all ; - ) rich-c: the arthritis plaguing you still? Harvie: Always rich-c: where is the problem? which joints? Harvie: It's there to remind me of my mis-spent youth:) rich-c: and not your advancing age? Harvie: Knees mainly, sometimes shoulders and kneck
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changed username to <undefined> rich-c: but not yet to the stage whre surgery is advisable? Harvie: Been advised not to have surgery rich-c: well, on knees it is often terribly painful and not always a success rich-c: and shoulders and neck - surgery there is rare and not for arthritis
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changed username to james rich-c: good morning james james: evening/morning james: how is everyone? Harvie: Apparently with my size the prosthesis would deteriorate rather quickly Harvie: Hi James james: is someone bragging about their endowment? :P rich-c: just discussing Harvie's aches and pains - they are not in pla es amenable to treatment
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changed username to Red rich-c: hello Rin james: what kind of prosthesis do you need, harvie? Harvie: Hello Erin Red: hi Uncle Richard Red: hi Harvie Harvie: Knee joints James rich-c: have one buddy has two of them, delighted rich-c: another who remains in terrible pain despite the replacement james: knee problems? my father has bad knees too. old high school lacrosse injury rich-c: well, some of them can be "cured" with knee replacement surgery Harvie: Lacrosse was the only game I had no injuries from, football was the worst rich-c: it's very effective when it works but pretty disastrous when it doesn't Red: think I need to reboot brb
Red left chat session rich-c: yes, football can leave its memories down the years in full measure james: my dad took a ball right to the knee apparently james: and those lacrosse balls fly pretty fast rich-c: ouch! rich-c: and they are heavy and have very little give... Harvie: I can feel it now james: anyway, i do hope things work out for you, harvie rich-c: so what is going on in Japan that we aren't hearing about, James? Harvie: Just have to do things in moderation, slowing down is hard to do when you are already stopped :) rich-c: know just what you mean james: hmm.. would you like to hear about government incompetence or institutionlaized racism? rich-c: nothing new, then? james: no, nothing new :P Harvie: You are back in Canada? :) james: lol rich-c: I gather the Japanese government makes the Canadian one look expert in comparison james: government incompetence and myopia i expect everywhere james: certainly less corrupt in any case rich-c: and you will rarely be disappointed rich-c: like Ontario - they mean very well, just don't know what they are doing
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changed username to Guy B. Guy B.: Greetings!!!! Harvie: Hi Guy rich-c: hi Guy
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changed username to Dr.D. rich-c: a little earlier tonight! Guy B.: Hi Dr. D rich-c: hello Rich Dr.D.: Hi folks sorry I am late Harvie: Hello Doc james: hello, dr d. Guy B.: I would have been here a little earlier. Had to do a couple pf things. rich-c: you wren't around to understand the revolting necessity, james rich-c: actually this is a little early for you anyway, Guy Guy B.: Got my airline reservations made last night. rich-c: good - when aer you going to arrive? Guy B.: Thursday afternoon. Dr.D.: I was running errands and trying to get laundry started. james: well ernie reeves (pardon the spelling) didn't do much for me, either rich-c: what time Thursday afternoon? Guy B.: 1:45 PM
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changed username to Red rich-c: ah, some hope if you're on time of missing rush hour, then rich-c: welcome back, Rin james: so who's all going to the con? Guy B.: Hi Rin Red: thank you Red: howdy all Dr.D.: Me Red: Me Dr.D.: Hi Redhead Red: hi Doc Guy B.: Now, I hope Pam got my e-mail. rich-c: I am day-tripping Friday and Sunday, Frances will be with me Sunday Dr.D.: Richard tripping, who'd a thunk it? Dr.D.: Say hi to the pretty colours :-) rich-c: comes from advancing age and scheduling, Rich Dr.D.: I know, Richard rich-c: high geekery isn't my territory, and my hip has not the endurance for major garden touring Guy B.: Rin you're going to be at the con? Dr.D.: Hip isn't acting up now is it? Red: I will be rich-c: no, but it has a limited endurance - two kilometres is about my limit for walking Dr.D.: If you didn't have stairs at home...you might be a candidate for a scooter. Guy B.: I got to attend my company's convention on Monday. It's Rotary's 100th anniversary. Dr.D.: Hopefully the didn't celebrate by laying off everyone, Guy... rich-c: really? I'll bet that will be quite a celebration Dr.D.: they rich-c: are we here or frozen? Dr.D.: I am here Red: ditto Guy B.: It is Rich. I've met some Rotarians from Nigeria when I was waiting for a shuttle bus to McCormick Place. When I got there, there were a lot there. We had over 40,000 attended this convention and that broke a record. rich-c: OK, when things suddenly go quiet I get suspicious Dr.D.: Aliens abducted us Richard Red: or the ether rich-c: obviously they did it up brown! Dr.D.: the last Society for Neurosciences Annual Meeting I was at had 30K scientists in atendance. Dr.D.: There are about 5 places in the country that can accommodate that many in one place... Dr.D.: So people are getting tired of the choices... rich-c: oh? we could do that with no sweat at all in Toronto Dr.D.: ...but nobody seems to want to split up the huge Annual Meeting. Guy B.: Now, I'm hoping I got my new processor before I leave next month. Still running into some problems getting the right kit. Dr.D.: People are tired of DC, Miami, New Orleans, LA Red: is this the Monday of the con Guy? rich-c: what's the matter with your computer, Guy? Guy B.: Nothing wrong with my computer. It's my new processor for my Cochlear Implant. The company messed up and now I have to wait maybe another week or so. rich-c: oh, I see. Does it represent an upgrade? Dr.D.: Bionic Guy :-) Dr.D.: How did they mess up the implant? Guy B.: It is an upgrade. But, I found out there are two implants. a 22 and a 24. I have the 22 which should have been a green coded color. Instead, they sent one with a yellow which is for the 24. Guy B.: So, now a new kit has to be order with a green coded plug. rich-c: see, it isn't just governments that screw up, james ; - ) james: yeah, large organizations of any kind Guy B.: Companies do too, if they don't do it right for the customer. rich-c: tell me about it - I have a number of skirmishes going on now Dr.D.: Fighting with the docs, Richard? james: true, but at least in the case of companies, it's not our tax dollars paying for it most of the time Guy B.: So, in the meantime while I'm waiting again. Might as well get some AA batteries for my current processor. james: unless of course it's a gov't contract rich-c: no, with my cellphone company and mad at our grocery chain Dr.D.: Has your grocery fired all its butchers, too? rich-c: no, but they've cut the number of slices of bread in a loaf from 14 to 13 Dr.D.: Here, to break the butchers union and avoid paying their high-risk health insurance (all those blades), Topps got rid of all its butchers. rich-c: when you have two pieces of toast evry morning, or a sandwich at lunch, you're shortchanged every week Dr.D.: They now truck meat in from some central plant. Harvie: The butchers are now janitors, the accountants slice the meat:) Dr.D.: Worse, to offset the longer delivery times that would lead to old, brown meat... rich-c: our grocery is small in an economy chain, so they have been using prepackaged meat for some time Guy B.: That happened to Edy's ice cream a few years ago. They shrunk the carton, but kept it at the same price. Breyers did NOT follow them. Dr.D.: ...they are incubating the red meat with carbon monoxide, to make it bright red even if it is rotting james: yum. that sounds almost as tasty as bleaching "mechanically reclaimed meat" Dr.D.: So people who buy meat based on color...caveat emptor Red: I still think there has to be a food safety risk there rich-c: our pork is from Cargill - tender and juicy, because they pump it up with water Dr.D.: If the meat is fresh, carbon monoxide is harmless...it just binds 300 times more tightly to hemoglobin than oxygen. Dr.D.: That is what "death from smoke inhalation" really is... Harvie: You are just going to rot the meat when you eat it:) james: anyone curious about where their chicken mcnuggets come from, look up MRM on google Dr.D.: But the red hemoglobin from carbon monoxide will be red forever...it is impervious to formaldehyde, alcohol... rich-c: like a lunch trucker I know in Michigan - keeps sandwiches fresh for a week by packing them in nitrogen Dr.D.: Well that is just by starving the aerobic bacteria. Dr.D.: If you gamma-irradiated a piece of bread and kept the packaging intact, it would last thousands of years at room temperature. Dr.D.: And be perfectly good to eat. Red: you've made me very curious about this...I think I'll ask my people Dr.D.: But the carbon monoxide trick is just to get people to buy old meat unknowingly. Dr.D.: Please do... Dr.D.: (to Red) rich-c: OH - THAT WOULD Be NUCLEAR - IT WOULD EXPLODE AND KILL US ALL! Dr.D.: hehe Dr.D.: No, those people say it NU-KYU-LAR james: wow.. thousands of years? what does gamma-irradiation do? Dr.D.: And some live at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Harvie: Would that CO trick work with me and the young ladies :) Dr.D.: It kills all the bacteria. Dr.D.: (to James) rich-c: well, American pronunciations are often out of line - het, they can't even get the last letter of the alphabet right Dr.D.: <smirk> james: ok, so assuming a perfect seal, nothing can get in to destroy the bread Dr.D.: That is right, James. james: nothing biological anyway. i still think you'd have to keep it somewhere dark Dr.D.: Yeah, there might be some photochemical reactions.\ rich-c: actually, there are few potatoes sold anywhere now that aren't irradiated james: as i imagine uv radiation could break it down or at least fade the colour :P Dr.D.: To prevent sprouting? Not in our stores :-) rich-c: not sure of the reason, Rich, but I believe it's some other issue james: lol harvie- just saw your joke Dr.D.: I missed it first time around to, sorry. Harvie: But, will it work james: actually, i've always wondered why "zee" isn't the right pronunciation rich-c: anyway, Frances and I are going on a little trip staring Friday week Dr.D.: Zeta --> Zeda --> Zed james: think about it, we say "cee, dee, jee, tee" etc.. seems more consistent to me james: oh yeah. duh. i should have known that Dr.D.: C doesn't exist in Greek Dr.D.: D is Delta
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changed username to Dale Dr.D.: T is Tau Dale: Hi all. Red: hi Dale Dr.D.: I don't know where the "ee" part of the letters came from Dale: Just checking in for a bit. rich-c: hello Dale, when are you sending me that email? Harvie: Hello Dale james: i like the french derivative of "Y", i think the literal translation being "greek i" Guy B.: Hi Dale Dale: rich-c, I've almost got it done, but I just haven't sent it. james: too bad most attempts to make english anywhere near phonically regular are thwarted Dale: Hi Guy. I can't remember if I told you but I got your registration okay. rich-c: well, we will be away over the "national days" so time's a flitting Dr.D.: Chemistry used to be called "the French science" Guy B.: Great. I made my airline reservations last night. Dr.D.: Needless to say, the term persisted longer in France than anywhere else :-) james: lol Dale: Hi Harvie. rich-c: other nations attributed rather less creditable things to the French... Dr.D.: Mostly due to the work of Lavoisier Dr.D.: Guy Lussac james: i saw a book when i was in edmonton that talked about the origins of all the english letters & dipthongs etc, their frequency of use. was quite interesting Dr.D.: Le Chatelier james: unfortunately i was already broke and carrying too much luggage james: and now i can'T even remember the title Dr.D.: Linguistics is fun stuff. rich-c: you'll just have to do some email exchanges with Dale's brother Dr.D.: RIn gave me some interesting comments on various "American" accents after talking with the girls and my Dad. james: very seriously considering linguistics as a field of study when i get back to canada. doing undergrad at 40 sounds somewhat daunting but i wouldn't be the first by any means Dr.D.: She says I have no accent at all. Dr.D.: Except when I say "worsh" or "Ahia" Red: except when tired My Love james: worsh? is that "wash"? Dr.D.: Or if I hang around Dale and Neil too long at no-sleep ADAMcons, then I start to sound like them. rich-c: everyone has some sort of accent - my underlying one is New Jersey Dr.D.: Yes James james: i have a nasty habit of picking up accents when talking to people Dr.D.: "Ahiya" is Ohiop Dr.D.: Ohio Red: you should hear him say Worshington :-) james: :D Dr.D.: Yes...Father of our country, George Worshington. Red: :-) Dr.D.: First in war, first in peace, last in the National League... james: even after just watching dr. who, i'd talk to case and say "up" and other similar words the same way Dr.D.: (the old Washington Senators) Harvie: So Little Rock is in Arkansore? Dr.D.: oop to rhyme with book rich-c: no, AAH -kin - sore Dr.D.: Though he would say it buuk to rhyme with spook james: yeah Dr.D.: And more glottal stops in his speech...it is indeed Northern, Yorkshire james: though i find it different than the "soft" "oo" in "book" james: yeah, was picking those up too Dr.D.: Halfway between up and oop james: i'm pretty sure if you dropped me in there and picked me up a year later i'd be hard to discern from a native rich-c: don't worry, it will all go away eventually james: yeah. there's a whole branch of linguistics dedicated to vowel shifts and a vowel spectrum Dale: When we all learn Japanese. james: heh heh Dr.D.: My sister Karen...lived in South Carolina and then Georgia from 1984 until her death in 2000. Dr.D.: You would never know talking to her that she had ever lived in the North. rich-c: every time I cross the Mason-Dixon line, I can't understand anyone for three days Dr.D.: She totally lost all her Ohio speech and sounded like a true-blue Southerner. rich-c: then I end up talking like them james: when i start mixing up r and l, i'll know i've been here too rong Dr.D.: Like Maurice Kendrick, for those of you who remember him at past ADAMcons. james: hybridized accents are interesting too Red: rorry pop :=) Red: rorri james: japanese having only one fricative which is neither r nor l (but closer to l) Dr.D.: Well, James, I Nipponized my daughter Elanor's name as Eranaru Durusawa Dr.D.: When she had to learn to write her name in Kanjo Dr.D.: Kanji Dr.D.: type Dr.D.: typo Dr.D.: Japanese has no adjacent consonants, so a vowel has to get put between any in English. Dale: Eranoru is closer, but pretty good. james: i'm assuming that explanation is for the benefit of the others here :P Dr.D.: hehe Dr.D.: Yes you live it every day James Dale: Dr. D, except for n. Dr.D.: N is an exception? james: i could fill a whole page with the hurdles my students have to jump to pronounce english properly james: there is a nasal "n" not unlike french Dale: Which is by it self. james: like the word "non". transliterated to japanese would sound very very close james: with the two syllables "no" and "n" Dr.D.: All the Japanese postdocs in the lab I got my Ph.D. in prounounced my first name as Erish (emphasis on the rish) Dr.D.: But it was definitely 2 syllables Dr.D.: Interesting about n, didn't know that...never studied it, just observed and listened. Dr.D.: And the Chinese students tend to make it Erish at first, too, until they get acclimated to English. james: so yeah, the small number of vowel sounds, only one fricative, open syllables (no closed consonantal sounds), no v, f, th, rhoticized vowels and the fact the language is syllabic instead of phonemic means it can take me a year to get them reading with decent pronunciation Harvie: Time for me to go, goodnight all Dr.D.: Sayonara Harvie-san james: just the concept of putting two letters together to make one sound takes awhile for some kids Red: good night Harvie james: good night, harvie Dale: See ya Harvie. rich-c: night, Harvie Harvie: Good one Doc
Harvie left chat session Dr.D.: <bows> I am honoured Dr.D.: Who is the <untitled> visitor? james: yeah, that's been up for awhile now Guy B.: Good question. Dr.D.: Maybe a zombie. Dale: Maybe from when I joined. I got impatient and hit refresh. rich-c: guess we have a kurker - or a came and went Dr.D.: We could kill the zombie :-) Dr.D.: Kill the wabbit Dr.D.: If he is real, he will return rich-c: no, it was there long before that Dale, when just Harvie and I were here
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Red confirmed ban rich-c: Rin might be the guilty part- she was having a computer problem Guy B.: That's better. Red: I don't think it was me Dr.D.: She was? Guy B.: Where is Pam tonight, Rich? Red: I was having problems with Exploder not the chat rich-c: well, she left to reboot rich-c: she has stuff to do but said she planned to be here, just late rich-c: I notice we are without teh Slopsemas, and Ron, and Daniel, as well Dr.D.: Out for a barbecue maybe rich-c: dunno, it's still a hair chilly for that here Dr.D.: Not here with temps a few weeks ago at 31 of your Cs Dr.D.: Last night was beautiful here, cool and breezy, very comfy rich-c: yes, we had a couple of hot ones, and more are predicted, but we are also getting spells of refiel rich-c: refiel rich-c: relief james: third time is a charm Dr.D.: De-spoon the spoonerism :-) james: i wish we would get some rain. beena ges james: *been agse james: *been ages rich-c: we had a mini-drought for some time, then a few days of deluge rich-c: nothing like they have been having out west, of course Red: well gents....meesa have to get up early, so I'm heading out Red: have a great night and week rich-c: OK, night Rin Dr.D.: Nite nite Red Dr.D.: <hugs> Red: Nite <hugs> Red: bye all Guy B.: Bye Rin Dr.D.: I probably ought to go check the wash soon too. Dale: Bye Rin.
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Dr.D. left chat session rich-c: night james: well this doesn't bode well for a very long chat today rich-c: true - we do have a high rate of attrition rich-c: not to mention a high rate of absenteeism Dale: Hmm... james: who's left.. just the three of us Dale: I'm not on for the long haul either. It's been a hard week. rich-c: heavens, now we've lost Guy as well
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changed username to Guy B. Guy B.: Ok, I'm back. rich-c: well, I watched the first half of the football game and am taping the second - but staying up to the end would be too late I think rich-c: wondering where you had got to Guy B.: I wonder where Bob is tonight? rich-c: or Ron? or Daniel? rich-c: btw Guy, it is Pamela's birthday Sunday Guy B.: Oh it is. james: i talked to dan last night and he mentioned he'd be around rich-c: yes, Russell is working, so we will either feed her here or take her out for dinner james: maybe he's asleep. i know he's been keeping odd hours, even for him, lately rich-c: right now I'm battling with my old laptop - I cannot seem to be able to persuade it to access the internat on my DSL line Guy B.: Do you have the software installed on it? rich-c: all the settings seem to match those on my desktop which is also Win98 Guy B.: Or are you doing it through Internet Connection Sharing? james: brb. i've got some pizza sending me telepathic messages from the freezer saying i should cook and eat it rich-c: I guess so since I was able to access the 'net before on DSL rich-c: top of my head I can't tell you, Guy rich-c: I tried to set it back to dialup and screwed up everything Guy B.: You probably don't have it installed. What that does is you can share your desktop with another computer through a network cable. It gets a little tricky, but I have it done with my other computers with Win 95. rich-c: but thought I'd unscrewed it but copying all settings from the desktop Guy B.: Looks like Dale just left.
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changed username to Dale Guy B.: Now he's back. Dale: Anyway, I'd better be going for the night. rich-c: when I ping the internal ethernet card on the laptop, I get a no return Guy B.: Bye Dale. Say Hi to Jill for me. Dale: So I'll see you all later. Dale: For sure. Dale: poof
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changed username to Daniel Bienvenu Guy B.: Hi Daniel Daniel Bienvenu: sorry to be late Guy B.: You missed Dale. rich-c: all the configurations know the ethernet card is there and say it's working properly Daniel Bienvenu: hello Guy, Rich and james rich-c: salut Daniel, tu es en verite en retard! Guy B.: Any of the lights working on the card? Daniel Bienvenu: i know rich-c: did james have to get you up? :-) Daniel Bienvenu: no, i weren't online at all tonight james: i rang him up and got him out of bed :P Daniel Bienvenu: i were playing a game like civilization and i didn't see the time rich-c: it's a Xircom PCMCIA card, dujal ehternet and modem, but I only have the dongle for the ethernet rich-c: the little lights on the dongle show a connection and traffic Guy B.: Ok, card is working. Did you connect the ethernet cable from the DSL's modem to the ethernet card? james: <indian tech support>is your computer plugged in, sir</indian tech support> rich-c: yes, I have two cables from my router, one to the desktop, other free, used with laptopo
(A dog howls in the distance) Daniel Bienvenu: you can find a good cartoon in flash about the "indian tech support" on www.illwillpress.com Guy B.: Rich, is the main cable connected from the DSL to the router? james: yeah, i've wated it. pretty funny rich-c: if you mean is there a cable from the DSL modem to the router, yes - otherwise I would not be online with you Guy B.: The only thing I can think of is the settings on the router may not be matching to the laptop's ethernet card. james: is the cable cross or straight? it's been my experience that you need a cross cable when hooking up the modem to the card directly rich-c: I'm not sure the router has any settings
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changed username to Mitch Daniel Bienvenu: hello Mitch!? Mitch: late agan rich-c: well, Ron, you wre getting us fussed Guy B.: The book that came with it, should tell you how to do it. Is the router a wired one? Guy B.: Hi Ron Mitch: hi all Mitch: don't get fussed 'casue I'm late. You'll be fussed all the time Guy B.: Ron, we trying to figure out why Rich's notebook is having a hard time with his DSL connection. rich-c: jus6t has an in port, an uplink port, number of out ports Mitch: ah Mitch: not sure what I can add to that discussion rich-c: been online with my ISP for excessively long time yesterday but we can't figure it out Guy B.: I thought about a router, but I'm using crossovers and Internet Connection Sharing. So, I'm keeping them as they are. Mitch: XP? Guy B.: Rich, you are using category 5 cable, right? rich-c: my layout, Guy, is that I have a cable from the DSL modem to the router, then cables out, one for the desktop, the other free (used for laptopo) rich-c: I am using a cable that works and has worked before, before I changed settings on the laptop Guy B.: Ok, are any lights lit for both ports on the router? Mitch: the desktop works ok? rich-c: I have tried to revert the seettings by sitting with the laptop beside the desktop and matching settings one to another rich-c: yes, there is one light in and two lights out Mitch: so you've got a connection then rich-c: yes james: can you ping your modem? Guy B.: Hmm, did you try access files between the desktop and the laptop? rich-c: the problem seems to be that the laptop cant find its own ethernet card Mitch: are you running Windows XP on the laptop? rich-c: yes and it can't be done Guy B.: Rich, did you install the drivers for the laptop's card? rich-c: no, 98 - this is the old laptop Mitch: ok - from the desktop, right click on network neighbourhood rich-c: my new laptop is working just fine, I just don't want to take it on a trip whre it will be in hazard james: have you tried swapping the ethernet card to a different pci slot? rich-c: no, that I havent and there are two stacked Mitch: hell- that's what laptops are for- to go on trips rich-c: yes but I am crossing a border and will be leaving it in a hotel room or car Guy B.: Bring it. I'm bringing mine. Mitch: i suppose rich-c: and laptops are vulnerable to theft - I worry about damage to teh van too if someone tries to break in to get at it Guy B.: I'm beginning to wonder if there is a conflict with this combo card you have Rich. rich-c: I am bringing the new one to Adamcon, Guy, so you can help me with the Emulator rich-c: there wasn't before rich-c: what I really need to know is what I screwed up and how to unscrew it since it did work before Guy B.: Ok. Mitch: so it was working rich-c: anyway I will phone my ISP again tomorrow and carry on trying to get it to work rich-c: oh yes, it was until I got into a situation where I needed to change it to diaup and now it won't change back Mitch: in the network window (>Start>settings>control panel>network) there should appear three things Mitch: for your network card Mitch: a protocol Mitch: a service Mitch: and something else whose name escapes me Mitch: driver Mitch: could be one of those three has disappeared of got corrupted rich-c: just a minute while I check on the desktop Mitch: are you using the router for DHCP? Guy B.: Since I have two ethernet cards on my desktop, Mine shows that, the DSL connection, Internet Connection sharing and the Dialup adapter. Mitch: protocol should be TCP/IP Mitch: adapter - that's it rich-c: 98 doesn't have that - it's on client for microsoft networks Guy B.: Highlight that and click on Properties. Mitch: I'm all wet. Client is in there two - perhaps it's protocol, client and adapter rich-c: I do have more bindings on the desktop than the laptop - I'm pursuing that Mitch: I'm going by memory, and that's dangerous rich-c: all it offers is the name of the network Guy B.: The network should show his router connection. I'm wonder if it's looking for a Gateway. Mitch: if he has DHCP enable it should automatic rich-c: no, gateway is shown (10.0.0.3) as is default gateway Daniel Bienvenu: you know, when it's not coleco programming, i'm lost. ;- rich-c: what is DCHP? rich-c: or DHCP? james: dynamic hosed something or other :P Guy B.: That's the main gateway. I'm wondering if there should be a seperate setting for the card on the notebook. rich-c: I'm not sure the desktop and laptop are networked together - or even if they should be as one may be used with the other off or absent Guy B.: Well folks, Might as well call the night. Rich, send a e-mail to Dr D. see if he can help you out. james: how are things on the west coast ron? Mitch: humid - would you believe Mitch: played golf today and sweat off a pound or two rich-c: oh, I'll work it out with my ISP - he is very good about such things Mitch: DHCP = dynamic host control program rich-c: if necssary maybe I'll even take it up to his office Guy B.: Ok, hope you can get it working. Mitch: assigns network addresses to your network on the fly Guy B.: Ok, folks I'm gone. See you all next week. Mitch: Nite Guy rich-c: see you Guy Guy B.: Poof
Guy B. left chat session james: so who's left? Mitch: moi rich-c: me, if not for long Mitch: et vous Mitch: et lui
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changed username to Pam Mitch: aha...... that's right - garbage night on the coast rich-c: well, daughter, you made it just after everyone left Pam: hi folks, just dropped in for a minute Mitch: hi Pamela Pam: sorry, time sorta got a way from me Pam: hi, Ron Mitch: me to... only got here a few minutes ago rich-c: yes, that's about all we'll have ; - ) Pam: actually wanted to see if Dale was here Mitch: trying to XP to format an external 160GB drive and not having much luck Pam: who did I miss? Mitch: me to.... I sent him money james: been a lacklustre night, pam Pam: okay Pam: hey James, how's the diaper brigade? rich-c: he was here earlier, got into a big discussion of Japanese lingustics with Fr. D. and james Mitch: :) Pam: shoot. Oh well. james: not too bad. case is toilet training, so eventually i might be down to one rich-c: gotta strike while the iron is hot, Pam Mitch: by the way all, I probably won't be here next week....have to go to the big city Mitch: Wedding approacheth rich-c: Guy says he sent you an email Mitch: not mine- Jeff's Pam: Dad, I'm not going to the trailer on Saturday but may end up in Markham anyway because of the books. Daniel Bienvenu: sorry to be quiet all this time, I sent a message to the adamcon list saying that I can't make it to the adamcon this year Pam: Guy sent me an e-mail? rich-c: right, Ron - I hope not to miss any with my trip but it may be a close-run thing Mitch: Sorry to hear that Daniel. One of these years rich-c: that is what he said, Pam - you rally should check it occasionally Pam: Daniel, first, get employed. Then worry about travelling. Pam: I'll check after I leave here - just haven't had time yet Mitch: it'll work out Rich Mitch: that's the right priority Daniel rich-c: sorry to hear that, Daniel, but I do understand Mitch: unfortunately Pam: If I do get to Markham, I'll head up to the strawberry farm as well Daniel Bienvenu: i lost my motivation during the year i pass without job. rich-c: OK, I'll tell your mother Mitch: makes it tough Daniel Bienvenu: even coleco programming looks not the same Pam: okay, and I'll aim to be at the house around 4:00 on Sunday rich-c: OK, then we'll see if she wants to stay in or go out Pam: oh, I forgot to ask her - think she'd make Apricot Buttercream layers for me? james: ron - have you considered using a 3rd party utility or a formatting utility you can download from the hard drive manufacturer's page? Mitch: yes, James - that's what I intend to look for. rich-c: she says no, I don't know why Mitch: I can format it with the Mac, but I want to use it with both, so I need two partitions - One Mac OS extended and one NTFS Pam: tell her : ( Mitch: I'm sure there must be something out there that will do that rich-c: there are such utilities, but they tend to cost, Ron Mitch: Mfgr didn't appear to have such a thing, but maybe I wasn't looking in the right place rich-c: sometimes my various computer newsletters talk about them Pam: anyway folks, gonna run out again and check my e-mail Pam: I'll be here next week though rich-c: OK Pam, see you Sunday Mitch: next week is Tux week Mitch: ughhh Pam: okay. Night, Daddy Pam: Ron, you'll look fabulous. rich-c: sympathize, Ron Pam: James, Daniel - good night Mitch: oh well.... for my son and future daughter in law .. anything Pam: g'nite Ron Mitch: Gnite Pamela.... be well james: good night, pam Pam: you too - and best of luck to Jeff and Francesca Mitch: I'm going back to my internet search rich-c: time for me to make my exit too - goodnight, all Pam: kerpoof! Mitch: for the mother of all formatters
Pam left chat session james: well no sense in my hanging around here by myself. Daniel Bienvenu: bonne nuit Pam rich-c: yes - it's out there, I just forget the name and whre to look 8 -( Mitch: sorry James james: unless you're going to, ron Mitch: well,, I'm in no rush Mitch: just got here rich-c: anyway, colour me gone Daniel Bienvenu: by rich james: 0xF
rich-c left chat session Daniel Bienvenu: bye mitch Mitch: Nite Rich - good luck with the laptop Daniel Bienvenu: bye james.. Daniel Bienvenu: talk to you later james james: you leaving, dan? Mitch: Dan, where abouts have you been looking for work? Mitch: Is the job market there that slow? Mitch: Lordie, I'm glad I don't have to go through that again james: yeah, me too james: though i probably will in about 10-12 years. trying not to think too much about it Mitch: I don't think I'd survive in today's employment market Mitch: right.... if you come over here Daniel Bienvenu: well, the market is "so-so" here. and there are a lot of new dynamic programmers now with the end of "school time". Mitch: right. probably quite competitive james: not even sure what i'd get into but i'm looking to get a linguistics degree Mitch: so you're looking for software developers in Quebec City ?? Mitch: what types of work would a degree in linguistics get you? Mitch: teaching? james: teaching linguistics, maybe? :P Mitch: right james: actually, there are all kinds of things. i'd do a minor or double major with comp-sci Mitch: right. Ok james: linguistics can lead to speech pathology too Mitch: ok Mitch: research james: i've certainly acquired a patience for correcting pronunciations Daniel Bienvenu: well guys! talk to you next time! see you on yahoo messenger james! Mitch: I'd suspect that's so james: and the treatment of dyslexia is a growing field james: sure thing, dan
Daniel Bienvenu left chat session Mitch: niters Daniel -- dorme bien james: but i think with some formal comp-sci i could get into mechanical (computer) translation Mitch: Lower Mainland - ESL (English as a second language) Mitch: not sure what the first language is.... probably Cantonese james: i *could* do that and probably would just to get started, but i think in 12 years i'll have had enough of teaching efl/esl Mitch: yeah....like enough already james: as it is, i'm exploring various carreer options now Mitch: suppose a little forward planning would be good james: it's not that i don't like my job. it's a good job, definitely can't complain about the money, but there are other things i want to do james: just have to figure out what Mitch: :) Mitch: Hell I'm 61, and still wondering what contribution I can make to the world james: well at 61 you're hopefully far from finished Mitch: right at the moment, it's Chair of the Board for a broke community network Mitch: and I don't get paid james: sheesh, and to think of the unending teasing i get for being a mere 30 Mitch: :) Mitch: And I'm sorta - computer guru on call for some of the seniors around here (purely smoke and mirrors) james: personall, i don't consider 30 all that old, or even very mature for that matter. i'm guessing people aren't really mature until their early 40s Mitch: Some of them insist on paying me james: on call? is there a community centre or something nearby? Mitch: no... they phone me when their computer crashes Mitch: The community Network has a small office down town, I go there on Thrusday nights.... there's also a lab there Mitch: so we do HTML training, and basic computer skills james: well i'm sure that gets you around, or out at least. Mitch: yes.... and that's worth the world Mitch: otherwise I'd sit here looking for damn formatting utilities... or whatever james: i can't imagine not being active either physically or mentally. the idea of retiring and watchng tv for 20 years holds zero appeal james: lol james: yet there are people who do exactly that Mitch: when I moved into the new place I bought the "full meal deal" from the cable company....digital movies.....yada yada... so far it's been a total waste Mitch: I just don't watch all that much TV james: i don't watch tv here at all. not because it's in japanese - i can understand about 80-90% of it now depending on the program james: but because it's completely banal Mitch: right.....all in local dialect Mitch: I'm supposed to be French/English bilingual, and when I watch French TV, I get about the same as you do with the Japanese Mitch: local dialect in some of the material, I have trouble with james: in fact, understanding it has only served to lower my opinion of it Mitch: ohh I see Mitch: that good eh? james: so my view is that the japanese make great tvs but crappy tv james: yeah Mitch: Now CBC news on the radio in French, I can get maybe 95% of james: not that i cared much for north american tv, but at least the channels like discovery, a&e, history etc had some merit Mitch: but that's the trained CBC accent Mitch: which is what I was taught on the French course james: my french is rusty but i try to keep it up james: here, event he documentaries are obnoxious in their ethnocentrism james: *even Mitch: yes... there are a couple on the upper channels - National Geographic - and something called Deja Vu.... (all the 50's and 60's shows) Mitch: some of them yes..... james: as for bilingualism in canada, i sometimes doubt its merits. it makes sense in some areas, but not the whole countr Mitch: and I hate it when the History Channel gets going on their Yankee war movies james: *country james: lol Mitch: yes..... depends on the area being served Mitch: from Ottawa, if we were writing to our own regional offices in Winnipeg, Montreal or Moncton, the memo had to be translated Mitch: dumb james: it doesn't make any financial sense in an area with a 5% french population Mitch: nope james: and if the chinese ever catch on, we're screwed :P Mitch: especially when the people you're writing to are unilingual english Mitch: ho yes Mitch: it's all politics james: the constant pandering to a vocal minority that continuously threatens to break off is at best an irritant james: don't get me wrong, i like quebec and have nothing against french people, but the rhetoric and double-standards get to be a bit much Mitch: exactly. One of these years we're going to tow them out into the mid-Atlantic Mitch: I have some very good friends back there and they tend to hold the same view as you just expressed Mitch: it's all BS james: that and they take a disproportionate share of grants and "equalization payments" not to mention all the offices are on the hull side and favour hiring quebec residents Mitch: apparently it's getting worse. Most of the jobs in my area are now C level imperative staffing - meaning you'd better be fluently bilingual even to think about applying Mitch: in my day, the would train you if you won the job james: i can fully understand why western canadians would feel alienated. i have trouble enough being from ontario and not even being in the country Mitch: right. who knows where Western Canada will end up. British columbia actually has more affinity with Washington State that anyone east of the Rockies james: there is definitely an east-west balance missing Mitch: Think Lester Pearson had it right. (amazing for a liberal) - Canada is essential a strip of real estate 4500 miles wide and 20 miles high, and it's ungovernable james: too much space in between. it's not contiguous enough and we need to expand north. the population base simply isn't there yet Mitch: exactly Mitch: and people on one side have different ways of doing things from the other side Mitch: but we shall carry on Mitch: we shall send Reformers (Conservatives) from this side, and the liberals will win in Ontario, and the BQ in Quebec Mitch: and on it will go james: yup. who knows, the conept of a country might be irrlevant someday james: *irrelevant Mitch: well yes.... when we adopt the US dollar james: though personally i prefer to not see it happen Mitch: me neither Mitch: but as time goes on - we allow more and more foreigh influences - including the US Mitch: and we forget who we are james: and people's personal beliefs aside, if i wanted to live in a theocracy, i'd move to iran Mitch: probably would be closest to it Mitch: they're not much on separation of church and state james: no, and that frightens me Mitch: eye for an eye sort of thing james: fat lot of good the constitution is if it's ignored Mitch: and if you're female, forget thinking for yourself james: just send me to mars james: on a one-way james: woudl be a whole new culture with hopefully far less baggage Mitch: we'll screw that up somehow when we get there - we should send George Bush Jr. james: if there's a way to screw something up, we'll find it Mitch: Anyway James, this has been a hoot - but I really should get back to getting some mileage out of this external drive I just bought Mitch: there has to be a way james: ok. well look for third party utils, and if you can'T find something i'll take a look around for you Mitch: right... will let you know james: have a good evening Mitch: G'nite or morning or whatever the heck it is Mitch: see ya l8r Mitch: poor Mitch: poor Mitch: poof Mitch: that's it james: bye!
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