Daniel Bienvenu: hello Rich rich-c: salut, Daniel\ rich-c: got your email, we shall see if anyone shows up rich-c: think we may have problems tonight as the web is very slow Daniel Bienvenu: I notice that the adamcon web site didn't work this morning rich-c: oh, it likely did, you just wren't patient enough - it is boring to have to keep trying for an hour Daniel Bienvenu: however, I give to them the second chat url
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changed username to Dr. D. Daniel Bienvenu: just in case rich-c: for a while I couldn't even get into my mail at Tamco Dr. D.: Hi all. rich-c: hi Rich Daniel Bienvenu: hello Dr.D Dr. D.: I'm glad to hear that the pile of dead ADAM stuff disappeared from your driveway, Richard. rich-c: got your email, btw, Rich Daniel Bienvenu: Gentlemen, I have to check something now... so I beg your pardon but I have to go for approx. 15 minutes. Dr. D.: And I got your reply too, Richard. Dr. D.: No problem Daniel. rich-c: yes, talk about serendipity, having a scrap metal scavenger come by just when we needed one Dr. D.: I am frankly surprised he took them...they certainly look like no computer anyone nowadays would expect. rich-c: mind you, there are four humongous bags of non-metallic stuff, but they're at the curb now Dr. D.: That is better than the VW Beetle-sized stack of dead ADAMs :-) rich-c: true, but the boards have gold-plat3ed contacts, thee's lots of copper wire, stuff like that Dr. D.: Hope he doesn't bring them back :-) rich-c: how much valuable scrap do you think there might be in a printer power supply? Dr. D.: The heat sinks are aluminum. rich-c: yes, but thaat's about a buck a pound now as salvage, I believe Dr. D.: Also heat sink on the printhead. rich-c: and there's the copper wires and windings in the motors Dr. D.: Depends if there is some generic place to ship boards to be melted down. rich-c: after all, he's a guy who makes his living on scavenging and knows what stuff is worth Dr. D.: The boards are a phenolic resin, could be incinerated or melted. Dr. D.: The plastic might be recyclable, it is polystyrene I think. rich-c: they shred them and ship them to China which is where teh recovery is made Dr. D.: Ah. Dr. D.: So the components will return home for cremation :-) rich-c: don't know what rare elements might be scattered about otherwise but I'll bet there are some Dr. D.: Tantalum in some capacitors. Dr. D.: Iron in the shielding. rich-c: yep, bet they'll get that, too Dr. D.: Gold plating on the contacts for the sockets etc. rich-c: anyway it makes me feel immensely better that every useful part will live again instead of contaminating a landfill Dr. D.: We hope...he could just dump it somewhere if it proves unusable for him... rich-c: I expect he will know where there are others who want what he doesn't Dr. D.: A big bonfire Dr. D.: ADAMcon weenie roast :-)
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changed username to eRin rich-c: hi Dr. D.: A storm went through but it was all bluster and almost no rain. rich-c: hi Rin, how's the Adam going? eRin: hi Uncle R eRin: it's going Dr. D.: It is still hot and muggy here...all it did was make the grass too wet to mow tonight. Dr. D.: Hi Rin eRin: I set it up all by myself eRin: hi Rich rich-c: we got a real soaker, thunder enough but not an eardrum buster rich-c: the temperature went from 32 to 20, so don't ask about the humidity rich-c: well, since you had all the instructions, Rin, I should hope so Dr. D.: It got dark as night, loud thunder, but that was about it. rich-c: hmm - you got the fireworks, we got the wet stuff eRin: didn't know if there were any insider tricks to make sure it didn't explode rich-c: next time you're by here, Rin, get Frances to show you some things she has done with Logo
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changed username to Pamela rich-c: hi daughter Pamela: well hello there Dr. D.: Hi Pam Pamela: how's the rubbish pile, Dad? Pamela: Hi Rich Pamela: Hi Daniel Pamela: Hello, cousin of mine eRin: hi Pammie rich-c: all the metal was taken by Eddie the scavenger, I merged the rest into four garbage bags that are at the curb now Pamela: Erin must be feeling very pale rich-c: oh? why? eRin: pale? Pamela: no red to be found anywhere Dr. D.: She was brown and spotted as a plover's egg when I left her Monday morning :-) Pamela: Erin, didn't you tell me your freckles had merged? Dr. D.: Her shoulders were almost solid tan eRin: I believe I did Pamela: that's a very cool way to get a tan : ) rich-c: I assume it comes from eating your lunch out in the park? Dr. D.: We did a lot of walking outside on her vacation, Richard. Dr. D.: Also 2 afternoons of swimming in bright sunshine. Daniel Bienvenu: Hi Pam! eRin: all sunny shine Dr. D.: I got her out of her office. rich-c: that'll do it - I've been all but housebound yet I have some tan too Daniel Bienvenu: Sorry I was away Pamela: allo, Daniel : ) Daniel Bienvenu: (or it's "I were away"?) rich-c: welcome back, Daniel Pamela: was is correct Daniel rich-c: you had it right the first time, Daniel Pamela: you always have a tan, Dad rich-c: well yes but it varies in intensity Pamela: what amazes me is how brown my forearms got in one afternoon at Wonderland Pamela: now I can prove I have colour - all I have to do is take off my watch rich-c: yes, I'd expect them to be red and peeling Pamela: no, I've been very careful about wearing sunscreen
moved to room Meeting Place Pamela: no burns for me, thank you rich-c: a prudent thing to do Daniel Bienvenu: well, my tan is strange because I'm wearing t-shirt all the time during summer.
changed username to BobS Pamela: you have what is known as a farmers tan, Daniel rich-c: how was the holiday, Roberto? Pamela: Hey, Bob! BobS: hallo all eRin: Bobs! BobS: i AM here Daniel Bienvenu: I have my head, my neck and half of my arms brown. Dr. D.: Hi Bob Pamela: and did you perfect your tan, Mr. S? rich-c: I remember driving west in summer - by the tike we hit the Pacific coast my left arm was so dark it looked like it belonged to someone else Daniel Bienvenu: well, it's better than last year, I was programming too much, so I didn't really see summer last year. Pamela: most drivers get a case of drivers arm : ) rich-c: programing is great, you just have to remember to have a life once in a while too BobS: sure did my dear BobS: even got a little burned I did rich-c: what, no sunscreen? shame! BobS: forgot the one day Pamela: so how was the trip Bob? rich-c: and how did Judy like it?
moved to room Meeting Place BobS: had a great time....hot weather, sat in the lake a lot, had a very noisy thunderstorm night on Wed and not much sleep, but ok
changed username to Harvie BobS: Judy loved it Pamela: greetings, Harvie BobS: HI Harvie eRin: hi Harvie rich-c: hello Harvie, you're a bit late tonight Pamela: did Ryan behave? Daniel Bienvenu: bonsoir HArvie Harvie: Howdy howdy howdy Dr. D.: Hello Harvie. rich-c: Frances wants to bring our trailer home this weekend BobS: Ryan had a ball.......one day he caught 6 bluegills about 6-7" long........ BobS: one little fisherman
moved to room Meeting Place Harvie: Little fisherman, little fish? Dr. D.: Bluegill, I caught some of them as a boy...good eating IIRC.
changed username to Guy Foster Pamela: allo, Guy rich-c: hello, Guy Mark II ; - ) Guy Foster: Hello all. Guy Foster: Where's Mark I? Harvie: Hi Guy Guy Foster: Hi Harvie. BobS: Hi Guy rich-c: he hasn't come on yet - he is a bit erratic that way Daniel Bienvenu: hello Guy eRin: hi Guy Guy Foster: Hiya Dan the man. Pamela: I wish I liked fish Pamela: I certainly enjoyed fishing the one time I tried it Dr. D.: Hello Guy Dr. D.: Still reading the CV docs? rich-c: it would simplify matters at certain times, but c'est la vie Guy Foster: Hi Dr. D... Actually no, I've been spending all of my free time disassembling Z80 code and trying to reconstruct compilable code. Not the easiest thing. Dr. D.: What are you disassembling? Dr. D.: I have some small experience with regenerating sources :-) Pamela: (no Stephanie, no disassemble) Pamela: sorry, couldn't resist rich-c: isn't there a disassenbler program for Adam? Daniel Bienvenu: Well, Dr.D. I notice that the sound section said in one page that a REST time is maximum 31 and after maximum 30... the reason for that is simply that tone3 rest code can't be 31 cycles long because the resulting code is FF, but the document didn't said that. Guy Foster: Dr. D: SG1000 (SEGA) binary images. Very similar to the CV. Trying to port from one system to another. Luckily for me, I've found a program called IDA. Heard of it? rich-c: I think one of the Walter twins may have written one Dr. D.: There are several...I think I was using Z80DIS22 BobS: i LOVED those Short Circuit movies pam Dr. D.: Haven't heard of IDA. Pamela: they're among my favourites, Bob Dr. D.: I am sure stuff is smarter than from the CP/M days (which is what Z80DIS22 is) BobS: had them taped, but they disappeared Guy Foster: Dr. D: Then by all means get it. It is truly the ultimate disassembler. It's interactive, so you tell it what you think the code sections are, and it will adjust the labels, etc.... BobS: "nice shoftware, Stephanie" BobS: software Harvie: Wasn't there an unasm? Pamela: # 5 is ALIVE! Dr. D.: I wrote UNASMHEX to run under SmartBASIC 1.x...but it was very primitive, mostly for info purposes, not easy to regenerate assemblable source except with word processing phases afterwards. Dr. D.: hehe, UNASMHEX originally was a MS BASIC program that I back-ported to SmartBASIC...I was using it to cross-disassemble ROM image files way back in 1988. Daniel Bienvenu: Well Rich, someone told me now in Y! messenger that he will be interrested in a Atari module and some joysticks. Guy Foster: Dr. D: It's truly a challenge in trying to reconstruct compiled code, but it's fun... I'm working on porting Galaga to the Colecovision. Guy Foster: Daniel: I'd like an all-dressed pizza, since you're taking requests. Dr. D.: I disassembled Pitfall for CV to give it infinite lives. rich-c: OK, and while we're here Daniel, want to make a note? Dr. D.: Turns out it was just a single byte counter of lives! NOP out the DEC (HL), and you live forever...
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changed username to Guy B. Dr. D.: I think there is a link to a zipfile of the source off my This Week With My Coleco ADAM pages. eRin: hi Guy Guy B.: Greetings!!!!! Pamela: hi Guy Guy Foster: Dr. D: I stumbled upon your article on how to disassemble files, very informatrive, I was surprised to recognize the name of the person who wrote it! rich-c: weights of basic stuff: joysticks 400g/pair, bare CV console 1.8 kg,, power supply 1.1 kg. Guy Foster: Yo Guy! Harvie: Hello , the other Guy rich-c: it makes it easier to calculate postage Guy Foster: Rich: You have any cartridges/games? rich-c: hello Guy Mark I rich-c: cartridge games no, just my personal collection Pamela: Erin, how many keyboards did you end up with? rich-c: there is one arcade-packaged Zaxxon, I believe, pretty decent collectible I think Dr. D.: I think there were about 10. Dr. D.: Some were in parts. Dr. D.: I am sure that there is better AI for disassemblers now, Guy...I would have to reread my article to remember for sure what I did, it has been 5 years I think :-( Pamela: I could have sworn we got more than that rich-c: yes, but those wre games taking the Super Action Controllers, don't work otherwise Guy Foster: Dr. D: Yes, the IDA program I told you about (available on my website) is really good. Dr. D.: For those interested in what Richard's basement looks like *AFTER* taking out a ton of dead ADAM stuff, look at rich-c: I think I may have one working set of Super Action Controllers, plus a number of spares Guy Foster: Do you have any Adam modules that plug into the CV, Rich? Dr. D.: http://drushel.cwru.edu/clee-nup1a.jpg Dr. D.: http://drushel.cwru.edu/clee-nup2a.jpg Dr. D.: Forgive the bad pun Pamela: major groan, Dr. D eRin: <smirk> rich-c: I think it was only about 250 kg, Rich 8 - ) Dr. D.: Okay, half a ton Dr. D.: (English) Harvie: Good one Doc, I must be dopey, I didn't notice till you mentioned it Guy B.: Anyone interested in a couple 5 1/4" 1.2 mb floppy drives. I have a couple of them I'm planning to sell.
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changed username to aaron Guy B.: Hi Ron rich-c: anyway, I've been talking with Guy about disposing of the CV basics - consoles, etc. Pamela: greetings, Ron Daniel Bienvenu: nice pictures. Harvie: Hello Ron rich-c: but the rarities I want to see some fair money for, they are rare and appreciating Dr. D.: The last photo I took, however, was at the end of the roll...the giant pile in the driveway. Dr. D.: So it didn't come out, no film left :-( Dr. D.: Hope Frances got a photo of it. rich-c: hello, Ron Guy Foster: Rich: Well, if you have an ADAM expansion module for the CV, I'd be interested for a little project of mine. Let me or Daniel know. rich-c: honestly have no idea - I don't keep track of France's photography Harvie: Film? We don't need no steenking Feelm! Dr. D.: I did that day...only a disposable camera available. Dr. D.: The digital one I had at ADAMcon died...it was dropped. Pamela: Mom took a lot of pictures and downloaded them right away so there should be at least one Guy Foster: Dr. D: Oh no!!! The Mavica? rich-c: Rich, were there3 any Expansion Modules 3 left at all? Dr. D.: No, it was an old Kodak. Dr. D.: You are thinking of Neil's or Dale's cameras, I think. Guy Foster: Dr. D: No, was thinking of that older cam you had that looked like it could accept 3.5" floppies. Dr. D.: I believe there were a few. The one you sent me by mistake, for sure. Dr. D.: I don't need it, I have one already I think. Dr. D.: Plus the one with the MegaCopy in it. rich-c: Guy, is there a reason why a standalone Adam won't serve as well? Dr. D.: But most of the EM3s were clearly marked dead Guy Foster: Rich: I want to design an expansion module for the CV with extra RAM, and would like to play around with that module, if available. Pamela: wow, look at all that floor space Dr. D.: that is basically what the EM3 does...through the 60-pin expansion bus. rich-c: if I have one it will be in a complete collector box, and that means a shade pricey Daniel Bienvenu: hehe! I like the wordgame "Clee-nup" ;-) Dr. D.: There aren't enough signals out the cartridge port alone to add extra RAM in the lower 32K address space. Dr. D.: It is a bad joke, Daniel :-) Dr. D.: But I couldn't resist it. Pamela: it is a very clever use, Rich Guy Foster: Dr. D: Yep, that's why I'm thinking of using the expansion port, and not the cartridge port! ;) Pamela: and plays into Dad's wordgame of Cleechez Dr. D.: Then all you need are the ADAM motherboard schematics and you can roll your own XRAM. rich-c: the other avantage of the standalone is that it can output a video signal usable with a monitor (Commodore 1702, for examole) Pamela: brb, gonna get some more liquid rich-c: if I understand what's going on, it sounds rather like re-inventing the wheel Dr. D.: That was my immediate thought as well...but I imagine Guy has some other goodies in mind to piggyback on it. Dr. D.: I have never seen a schematic of the EM3 motherboard per se. Guy Foster: Nope, none at all... It's aim is to be real cheap and to offer more RAM for future Colecovision games, without having to buy an ADAM (bulky?). Of course it'll be ADAM compatible, so those carts will work on the Adam too. Guy Foster: Remember, we only have 1K of RAM with the Colecovision. Guy Foster: Possibly offering battery back-up would be an option. Dr. D.: You will need the bus buffers that the ADAM put on its game board. rich-c: exactly - so why not buy teh whole thing already done, with tape and disc game capability as well? rich-c: It's not asd if an Adam is going to cost any forture, after all Dr. D.: The fun of doing it, Richard. Dr. D.: And of learning from it. eRin: for those of you who hadn't heard....I set up an Adam on my very own Guy Foster: Rich: No, the Adam doesn't cost a lot, but instead of having an Adam, a Colecovision with a tiny RAM expansion could do the same. Because all that is really needed is the extra RAM. Pamela: where did you put it, Rin? Dr. D.: Rin is now ADAMite 1.0. BobS: COOL Erin.....now you are truly and ADAM user, eh? rich-c: I understand both, Rich, but if "it's been done" and better besides, it seems unwise to me eRin: it's on the dining room table Dr. D.: It wouldn't need to be very big, not with modern parts, that is true, Guy. eRin: that I am Bob :-) Pamela: ah Dr. D.: Probably no bigger than an Autodialer module :-) eRin: who knew :-) ? Dr. D.: Well, "better" is subjective. Guy Foster: Dr. D: Also, a battery back-up has been talked about, something the Adam cannot offer without modification most likely. Dr. D.: The EM3 needed a whole printer power supply to run it. Dr. D.: A little RAM-only dongle might get away with just the CV power supply. Dr. D.: And the tape drives and ADAMnet are not of interest to the gamers, I am afraid, Richard. rich-c: yes, the Adam in either flavour uses the 80 watt power supply - though the biggest load is the printer Guy Foster: Dr. D: That's it, the target audience is Colecovision gamers. They would be received the RAM module with the CART. Dr. D.: I think it's a plan... Guy Foster: Well, like most things I do, I have 20 plans, and usually 1 of them ever sees the light. Dr. D.: Hehe Dr. D.: Be sure to make a pass-through on your dongle to still plug in EM1, EM2, and the roller controller. Guy Foster: Dr. D: And it's hard balancing geek life and married life.... :) rich-c: Rich, any idea if we did set aside any EM3s that worked? Dr. D.: I believe there were some...unfortunately, the photos I took don't look at the we-saved-this side of the room. Pamela: don't worry, Guy, you'll get better with practice : ) rich-c: other problem is, the EM3 has to use teh printer power supply Dr. D.: I would gladly bring back the EM3 you gave me by mistake, but frankly, I have no idea when again I will be in Toronto. Guy Foster: Pamela: Yeah, I hope so! Dr. D.: I will return it the next time I come back. rich-c: well, first I'll have to look around and see what I can come up with Harvie: Guy, the computer literate are only geeks to the computer illiterate :) rich-c: but if we bring the trailer in this weekend, and I will be configuring the computers for Cynthia Guy Foster: Harvie: Lots of wisdom in that sentence! ;) Pamela: and most wives are fairly tolerant of their husbands hobbies Pamela: as long as you remember you have a wife from time to time, things should be fine : ) Guy Foster: Pamela: My friend has gambling hobby, and his wife is leaving him for that.... :D rich-c: she'll love the six hours of Friday Night Football Pamela: if she's leaving him, it's not a hobby Pamela: it's an addiction Guy Foster: Pamela: It sure is... He's sick. Daniel Bienvenu: as I can see, there is only adamcon members here. no coleco collectors came tonight to chat with us. rich-c: well, they tend to be shy, and language apprehensions may figure in Pamela: I think the person who dropped in earlier wasn't Ron, but a stranger rich-c: hey, where did Ron get to? Pamela: the name was Aaron if I recall Daniel Bienvenu: Well, someone asked by email if you live in Chicagoland to go take the stuff. rich-c: they do get disappointed when they find it's Toronto rich-c: Americans have a real phobia about buying anything from Canada - at the individual level Daniel Bienvenu: brb Pamela: I'm gonna head out folks - I'm exhausted and could use an early night Dr. D.: I should probably head out too...early day tomorrow. rich-c: what I did not mention to you, Daniel, is that there is other CV stuff I do not plan to "give away" Dr. D.: Long day getting ready for classes (which start on the 29th) rich-c: OK Pam and Rich - good night both, takd care Dr. D.: Bye all eRin: night /Rich Dr. D.: <poof> Pamela: night Daddy
Dr. D. left chat session BobS: nite Rich Pamela: goodnight to everyone else Guy Foster: Rich: What kind of CV equipment do you have for sale? BobS: nite Pam......... Daniel Bienvenu: goodnight Dr.... too late BobS: and the doc rich-c: it is pretty much collectible level BobS: and ....... Pamela: until next week - kerpoof! Daniel Bienvenu: Bonne nuit Pam! BobS: BONZAI
Pamela left chat session BobS: so.....now that we are alone.......... rich-c: Guy - real cheap, CV consoles, working or nonworking for possible salvage BobS: tell me do.....any secrets you have rich-c: power supplies, joysticks, that sort of thing
eRin left chat session rich-c: collectible level (as in not giving them away) expansion modeles - Atari add-on, SAC joysticks, may have a steering wheel, roller controller Harvie: Secrets Bob? Who do you think I am, Garry Moore? :) rich-c: also did you ever see the carts in the original boxes that looked like arcade games? Guy Foster: Rich-C: No, never heard of that?! rich-c: I have a couple of those, plus games that require the Super Action controller Guy Foster: Rich: Those games look tempting... rich-c: send me your email address, Guy, and I'll try to send you more information rich-c: maybe I can get Frances to take pictures Guy Foster: Rich: Awesome! My email is: firstname.lastname@example.org Harvie: rich, how is the swollen leg coming along? rich-c: OK - let me test - am I still on? rich-c: I can get into the van almost normally now, Hrvie, and walk short distances without qa cane Harvie: If I said no would you believe me :) rich-c: not now, Harvie ; - ) rich-c: guy, as you saw, this is a very busy weekend, so don't get impatient - you will hear from me Guy Foster: Rich: No worries Rich, take your time, although I am still very curious to see those carts you have. Daniel Bienvenu: yeah! take your time, and maybe I will receive more emails from guys who want coleco systems, power supplies and joysticks. Harvie: My fingers just reminded me that I can't type like I used to, so goodnight all BobS: nite Harvie rich-c: maybe I can talk Frances into sending you shots - when I'm watching football, she plays with the computer rich-c: goodnight Harvie, see you next week Guy B.: Bye Harvie Daniel Bienvenu: bonne nuit Harvie
Harvie left chat session Guy Foster: Good night Harvie. rich-c: 'going up to get a new set of tires for the van tomoprrow rich-c: should be interesting to see how they perform Guy Foster: Rich: Yeah, I'm due for a new set of tires myself... what brand are you getting? rich-c: they're by Nokian and about halfway between thier Hakkapelita and NWR lines rich-c: the one I'm getting is called I believe Vellita Guy Foster: I bought some goodyear snow tires, soI might go with goodyear for my summer tires as well. rich-c: they quote 100,000 km tread life, in my size (215-75R15) they are $110 each which isn't bad these days rich-c: I had a bad experience with Goodyear many years back and have refused to touch them since Guy Foster: Rich: There are so many brands of tires to choose from, it's mind boggling. rich-c: the intersting thing about the NR is that it's an all-season - but has a Severe Snow rating! rich-c: well, I used to go to Canadian Tire and buy their house brands and was quite satisfied rich-c: but of late they have cut the discounts in their pricing, and added all the general maker lines rich-c: I have always been successful with Michlin, though Guy Foster: Rich: Living in Quebec, I can't afford to not have 2 sets of tires for Summer and Winter.... Michelin are very good tires. Guy B.: I have BF Goodrich on my car and twice I had flats with them. Guy B.: So, I'm planning to replace them with a different brand before the winter gets here. rich-c: Guy, look at the Nokian NR, it just might be the an swer even in Quebec rich-c: what were the causes of teh flats, Guy? Daniel Bienvenu: holes in the road :-P Guy Foster: Rich: I will keep that in mind. My current tires have been good for 75-80,000 KMs and was quite pleased with them, they are Vredestein tires, but they are extremely expensive. rich-c: don't laugh, Daniel, potholes can wreck not only tires but wheels too BobS: .....made holes in the tires..... Guy Foster: Rich: Yep, suspension parts, steering etc... rich-c: right, the Vredestten tires are worth the premium Guy Foster: Rich: Heard of them? BobS: potholes probably get more tires thatn old age rich-c: for youm the Nokian all-season including severe snow might prove more economical Guy B.: One was a nail. The other, just last month. He said I went over a pothole and caused the tire to go flat. rich-c: as you might guess they are built in Finland where they think your climate is semi-tropical ; - ) Daniel Bienvenu: Well, I laugh because it became a common joke here. seeing holes in the road is some place including Montreal. Guy Foster: I've been through my share of potholes and have wrecked several mags in the winter. Now I use regular steel wheels, and when I wreck one, it's only $40. Guy Foster: Daniel: And that' s a laughing matter? Daniel Bienvenu: well, it's better laughing than crying. Guy Foster: Rich: Yes, they are awesome in the rain! Guy B.: Daniel, this past winter. The potholes here were so bad. That it caused a number of cars getting flats and Chicago winters can be just as brutal as they are in Montreal. Guy Foster: Guy: Yep, we've heard of your Chicago winters... very comparable. Actually, it's been quite mild in Montreal, it gets rougher in Daniel's part of the woods. rich-c: Guy, if you lose a tire to a nail, or other road hazard, it's hard to blame the tire Daniel Bienvenu: I understand the gravity of the situation. but we all know the situation and the situation still almost the same year after year. Guy Foster: Daniel: So it's better to laught it off Guy B.: Well, the first one. I didn't realize I had a nail, but the second time and the same tire? Then there is something wrong. rich-c: yeah - you keep drivbing where they drop a lot of nails - but why blame Goodrich for that? Guy Foster: Guy: Well, any tire will be affected by a nail... rich-c: yes, the only question is whether teh tire will we salvageable or not later Guy B.: That's true. But, having two flats on the same tire in the same year? That's unheard of even for me. rich-c: I've experienced it on occasion - just use a highway whre there's a fair amount of accident debris Guy Foster: I've had a few screws and nails stuck in my tire, and the odd bent rim that made my tire leak air. Part of driving I guess. rich-c: that it is, Guy II. You just have to live with it - and be friendly with a tire buster Guy B.: Fortunately I have road service on my car insurance, so I just called them to have them put on the temporary spare until I had the tire replaced. Guy Foster: Rich: I've gotten a few nails in, and now, I know how to plug my own tires, I don't even go to the tire shop for that. rich-c: I suspect our local obsession for speed bumps has something to do with it too rich-c: are you patching them for the inside as well, Guy? Guy Foster: Rich: I just use a tool to stick in a plug all the way inside the tire, then I burn off the end. I did my first one about 50K ago, and it's been fine. Guy Foster: Guy B: I've changed so many tires over the years, that I can change one in under 2-3 minutes. rich-c: that is how they used to be done right from when they were developed, but lately the word has been patch as well as plug rich-c: I guess it depends on how frequently you corner on the doorhandles and take on the stoplight grand prix Daniel Bienvenu: I must quit now and contact you Rich in a couple of days about the interrest I've got. rich-c: anyway, for me, one doesn't buy high performance tires for Safari vans Daniel Bienvenu: talk to you next week rich-c: OK Daniel thank you and keep me posted Guy B.: Well, I'm going to get going too. I'll see you all next week. Daniel Bienvenu: good night Guy Foster: Daniel: Take care buddy... rich-c: merci et bonsoir Daniel Bienvenu: "colour me gone", which color is that? rich-c: OK Guy, see you then Daniel Bienvenu: * poof *
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Guy B. left chat session rich-c: I have run into one or two alternatives to PayPal and used them; Bidpay may have been one BobS: nope, but have have buyers use it form my stuff BobS: was slower than the "slow boat to china" Guy Foster: Really? How many days? rich-c: making their vigorish on the float, are they? BobS: like 2 weeks instead of 4 days Guy Foster: Hmm, they charge $1,95 per transaction fo rthe buyers. rich-c: I refuse to deal with PayPal as they will not give me an account in US dollars Guy Foster: Rich: I refuse to deal with Paypal as I have gotten screwed too many times by Europeans claimign that they did not receive their merchandise, when in fact I sent it months ago. Guy Foster: Paypal refunds them blindly, and I was stuck with a $400US bill for stuff I already sent. rich-c: did you insure it and claim with the Post Office? BobS: ah...same PayPal problem I had BobS: so I won't accept it, will use it to buy with Guy Foster: Rich: Thing is, people that buy on Ebay want to pay the cheapest shipping possible, sending something to Europe, insured would cost a lot of $$$, so it's not feasible. rich-c: your cautionary notes are observed and heeded, gentlemen BobS: absolutely true Guy Guy Foster: So I basically hope that the post office and the buyer are honest, cuz I'm an easy target. BobS: go ahead and BUY using paypal, just do NOT accept it for mapyaments to you rich-c: what do you sell, Guy? Guy Foster: Rich: I sell mostly 70's and 80's memorabilia, toys, video games, electronic games, etc... BobS: cool rich-c: Bob is or wqas into the antiques game himself Guy Foster: Yeah, it is, because it can still be found for pennies if you know where to look around. rich-c: that's why garage sales exist - pity I haven't time for them
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changed username to WB BobS: trouble is Richard....antiques don't sell for a price worth sellign to us on Ebay rich-c: greetings, WB WB: Hello all! Guy Foster: Hello WB Guy Foster: Warner Brothers? BobS: Wille B WB: Willie BobS: yes???? rich-c: I feel I should know who this is... Guy Foster: Ahh, sorry. BobS: how you been man????? BobS: long time no see WB: Busy! BobS: Willie B from chicagoland rich-c: hey, Willie - it's been a long, long time WB: Just got back from a COBOL conference BobS: ADAMCON18 will be in your neck of the woods Willie WB: Excellent! rich-c: Willie, we have a new member in our group - Guy Foster, a game writer from Montreal WB: Hello Guy! Guy Foster: Greetings Willie... Cobol, haven't heard of that language in eons! rich-c: He and Daniel managed to make it to Adamcon last month BobS: Guy Bona is hosting next summer in the Chicago vicinity womewhere rich-c: as long as it's to teh southeast so we don't have to drive through the city WB: The conference was about bringing COBOL legacy applications into the 21st century rich-c: somewhere around South Bend would suit me fine Guy Foster: Was Cobol only used for business applications? rich-c: yes, there is still a lot of the old legacy machinery in use, isn't there? WB: Yes COBOL was a business language BobS: think Guy was talking south of the city center rich-c: yes - as I emp[hasized, a LONG way south WB: Around the city would be very good! rich-c: surely theree has to be a suitable motel on teh edge of the city so one need not drive through it WB: Has anyone heard from Herman BobS: but driving IN Chicago is half the fun mon BobS: haven't heard a word lately Willie rich-c: not for a very long time, Willie - he was totally devestated by teh loss of his son BobS: Geroge didn't come to convention this year, so that meant no info on herman either rich-c: are yoiu not on the Adam mailing list, Willie? WB: Rich-C, how is the family? rich-c: been so long since you've been on - did you know Pamela is married? WB: No, I did not! BobS: a year and a half ago????? rich-c: yep, fifteen years they lived together, then they just up and got hitched rich-c: yes, on New Years Eve rich-c: me, I've got my 75th birthday in a fw days, and our 50th anniversay on Columbus Day BobS: surprised us all......andshe kept it secret form us
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changed username to Scott BobS: hey Scott WB: Hello Scott! Scott: Hello all BobS: welcome back man rich-c: yes, just suddenly came on as Mrs. Vilneff, confused evryone BobS: long time no se for you either Scott: I was here last week late and talked w/both Dale and Dan B rich-c: hi Scott, you have been missing of late Guy Foster: Hello Scott. WB: What you did not know Rich-C Scott: School's commanded my time rich-c: oh Frances and I knew, but she did not tell the others Scott: But I did get my Associates, so that's a start at least WB: Cute! BobS: congrats Scott Guy Foster: Scott: Wasn't there last week, but I read your convo, I'm involved with James with the PCB and cart mold manufacturing. rich-c: I don't get it - how do you get that business when I can't find anyone wants a bare Colecovision? WB: How is Frances? Guy Foster: Rich: People will buy them, on ebay. rich-c: just had her blood work done - tesst results say she will live forever ; - ) rich-c: eBay is so dicey... WB: BobS, are you still selling on Ebay? rich-c: since her mother died at 100, she does have good genes BobS: hey guys, time for me to go now......glad I could greet ya'll.....stop back OFTEN......that means YOU, Scott and Willie BobS: yup stilll sellign al littel BobS: got to gret back ata it soon BobS: been busy vacationing this sujmer rich-c: night Bob, and best to Judy BobS: yes sir will do it
BobS left chat session WB: I am also leave to get some sleep. I have to work tommorrow. But, I shall return! rich-c: OK WB, I have to be up early and must pack it in, too
WB left chat session rich-c: so it will be Scott and Guy left - but since you're both gamers, don't stay up TOO late Guy Foster: Rich: I'm on and off the chat.... I'm registering with Paypal. Guy Foster: I hate 'em, but it's the only way to pay for things fast. rich-c: you can always come back and talk next week, you know 8 - ) Guy Foster: I'm going to heed Bob's advice, and onyl use it to pay. rich-c: that is what I do rich-c: hint: pay them in US funds, with a US dollar credit card, so you don't get screwed on the exchange Guy Foster: I don't have a US dollar credit card... how do we get that as Canadians? rich-c: we have a US$ account and VISA card on it with the TD but most other banks offer it too rich-c: you have to ask but they have them Guy Foster: ok, didn't know that... rich-c: few people do, and it's a pity, they are SO convenient Guy Foster: Hm, they want me to add my bank account information.... rich-c: travel in teh US and never get burned by an exchange rate shift Guy Foster: That's a great idea Rich, I go to the US often, so it would be great. rich-c: if you do that you should also insist they will take automatic payment from the account rich-c: then you can go away long past payment due date and it will be covered rich-c: and you can always buy more US dollar when our rate is well up to top up the account Guy Foster: So there doesn't seem to be a way to send money with Paypal, unless I register a bank account with it, even though my credit card is in my profile. rich-c: PayPal has never asked for anything more than my credit card number rich-c: if they are getting too9 nosy, find another way to pay Guy Foster: My sending limit is at $0.00, and they are telling me that to increase that limit, I need to register a bank account... not something I want to do. rich-c: tell them where to head in - sounds almost as if you got a phishing site - sure you actually are talking to APayPal? Guy Foster: Yep... I don't get fooled by those things. I also have another option, they have billed me $1,95 on my credit card, and I have to type in a number that appears on my bill.... argh, so annoying, anyways, I will be heading off. rich-c: if you got an email from PayPal - it's phony if it asks for your accopunt information rich-c: OK, time for me to log off too - see you both next week rich-c: poof
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