Xena: hi Honeys <kiss>
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changed username to Sleepless in Mtl Sleepless in Mtl: G'day Dr. D.: Hi Dr. D.: Trying to decrypt "Mtl" Xena: Montreal? Sleepless in Mtl: Montreal perhaps? :) Dr. D.: My Towel? Dr. D.: Mo Tel Dr. D.: I suppose Montreal is the best explanation. Xena: hehe Dr. D.: Sleepless due to non-sleeping infants, no doubt. Sleepless in Mtl: Actually, she's quite nice, lets me sleep at night... Problem is the waking up at 4:00 AM to go to work. :) Dr. D.: I on the other hand am battling sleep...I am beat today Dr. D.: I did that yesterday, today was 5 AM :-S Sleepless in Mtl: Allows me to finish early, which is the positive aspect. Dr. D.: Tomorrow will likely be 5 AM as well. Dr. D.: Nice that you can set your hours...mine sometimes seem like 24/7 Dr. D.: However, I will not be working this weekend: I am coming Friday to visit Rin, not leaving until Monday evening. Dr. D.: And she has Monday off. Dr. D.: Haven't seen her since New Year's <sigh> Sleepless in Mtl: Someone's going to have to move soon! ;) Xena: it will be nice Xena: twill be me eventually Dr. D.: Tell it to the immigration folks. Sleepless in Mtl: Oh, she has to apply from outside... Dr. D.: Yes. Xena: he has to petition for me Dr. D.: Or rather I, from within, have to petition for her to come in. Dr. D.: She can't cross the border now, until it's all settled. Sleepless in Mtl: Meanwhile, you have a truckload of Mexicans entering the states as we speak. Dr. D.: Yes. Sleepless in Mtl: But, that's good for the economy. Dr. D.: But we have to build a fence to keep the Canadian terrorists out. Sleepless in Mtl: INVADE!!! Dr. D.: Trying to destabilize us with their heinous parliamentary system. Dr. D.: And Francophone-coddling ways. Dr. D.: Etc. Dr. D.: Our Fearless Leader <ptui> Xena: <smirk> Sleepless in Mtl: Surprised Rich C. isn't here... He's usually the first one on-line. Hope he's doing O.K. Dr. D.: <waits for Homeland Security to take me away> Dr. D.: He better be...we are to see him Sunday, right Rin? Xena: right Xena: I haven't heard anything Sleepless in Mtl: Computer problems probably. :) Dr. D.: Maybe he is snowed in, we have plenty here...radio suggested a foot deep by Friday. Xena: I was with Pam early and she didn't indicate any problems Sleepless in Mtl: Yeah, Montreal for the past week or so has been plunged back into winter. Before that, we were having awesome weather. Felt like spring. But nature put us back in our place with this damn cold weather. Dr. D.: I am going to leave for Toronto at noon Friday, try to get there in daylight, hope it doesn't snow I-90 shut. Xena: hopefully travel will be okay Dr. D.: I will drive carefully, I am allowing 6 hours.
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changed username to rich-c Daniel B: bonjour Daniel B: bonsoir Sleepless in Mtl: Great, -29 C tomorrow morning, ARGH, Daniel B: good evening Xena: hi Uncle Richard Daniel B: hello Sleepless in Mtl: I was planning on cycling to work... Hey Danny Boy, hi Rich. rich-c: greetings, all rich-c: hey, missed you guys lsst week Sleepless in Mtl: Rich: Where did you go? rich-c: hi also Rich and Rin rich-c: Rich, you going to be here unday? rich-c: oh, I was on last week, you guys weren't Sleepless in Mtl: Nope, did an 80 hrs week last week, totally forgot it was Wednesday... Dr. D.: Hi Richard rich-c: yikes! double shifting? Dr. D.: Just back from Drano in a slow drain. Dr. D.: Last week was first week of classes at CWRU, just very very busy. Dr. D.: And yes I will be in Toronto this weekend. Sleepless in Mtl: Rich: Yes, for now. I have 7 weeks of vacation this year, so I figured I can burn myself out for a bit and take some time off later on. rich-c: that's always a pain - I seem to have run out of hours today - more to put in them than they'll hold Dr. D.: So if you want to see me Sunday, I can come visit. rich-c: Pam says she'd like 6.30 at the Mandarin - that fly with you two? Xena: that works for me Dr. D.: I will have Rin there on time :-) Dr. D.: The Mandarin is good food. Dr. D.: I will fast during the day, the better to take advantage of it. rich-c: or, considering your reaction to your first encounter with the Mandarin, early, I suspect Dr. D.: It isn't Chinese New Year yet, is it? Dr. D.: Hello Daniel. rich-c: they're already into the Chinese New Year bit, and are offering dim sum while quantities last Daniel B: hello Dr.D. Dr. D.: I didn't see you had logged in. Daniel B: :-) Daniel B: I still didn't received the presentation you did last year. rich-c: Chinese New Year is apparently on Feb. 18th so they are starting early Dr. D.: I must remember to burn you a DVD and have Erin mail it to you from Canada. Dr. D.: I will bring a supply of blank DVD-Rs Dr. D.: I am visiting Toronto this weekend./ Dr. D.: Have to remember the external HD, since that is where the presentation is living right now. rich-c: why, worried Security will get all uptight about it, or Customs will grab it as suspected piracy? Dr. D.: He will get it faster if mailed from within Canada. Dr. D.: I would hope anyway... rich-c: shall we say Canada Post is unpredictable - on its better days? Dr. D.: I would hope faster than 1.5 weeks, which is what I expect if mailed from here. rich-c: likely, but don't bet on it - it is not that unusual for me to get two sequential issues of Autoweek in the same mail Dr. D.: I bet your mailman likes reading them :-) rich-c: no, she doesn't show much interest in that rich-c: but maybe that's why they enclose them in plastic bags now ;-) Dr. D.: Or maybe there is another Clee nearby who is getting them first by mistake? Daniel B: that's remember me something... I asked for a new copy of the Adamcon 2005 CD, but it looks like Canada Post lost it. :-( Dr. D.: My Grampa Drushel lived on the same street as a guy named Drushal who was the President of the local college...Even 10 years after they moved away from there, they would complain about how their "Saturday Evening Post" would get misdelivered to the Drushal and come late to them, obviously having been read first. rich-c: Anyone, question - if I install Ubuntu in a primary partition on an external USB hard disc, will it boot and run from there? Daniel B: I can't answer... I never tried it. Dr. D.: I don't know anything about Ubuntu, except that it is some flavour of Unix, and that the EECS lab just deployed a public server that runs it. rich-c: I assume there would have to be a dual-boot setup with the boot manager calling it from the external - but would it answer? Dr. D.: It all depends on if the POST stuff in the BIOS initializes USB ports itself, or requires that the boot OS do it. rich-c: it is apparently a deerivate of the Debian distribution, if that's any help Daniel B: basicaly, there are linux bootable for USB memory sticks. I supose you have to check out first if your BIOS can boot on USB. Dr. D.: What Daniel said. Dr. D.: I don't think I am going to make it until the Slopsemas or Ron show up...I need to go to sleep. Dr. D.: So I will sign off for now, and see Rin and Richard and Pamela in Toronto this weekend. Daniel B: then... goodnight Dr.D. Dr. D.: Good night, all. Dr. D.: <poof>
Dr. D. left chat session rich-c: OK, the BIOS does support USB but whether it loads from teh BIOS or Windows drivers, I don't know Xena: I think I will head out too....call my honeys and say good night Xena: hope you all have a good night Xena: see you next week! rich-c: wow, Rich must really be wiped - didn't even have a chance to tell him good night Xena: he's wiped Xena: was by about 6 rich-c: OK - see you Sunday at 6.30 at teh Mandarin then, Rin Xena: see you then! Xena: bye bye
Xena left chat session rich-c: talk about wiped - my back has been in full lockup since Saturday Daniel B: wow!... that was fast rich-c: I'm living on Tylenol3 and muscle relaxant Daniel B: about ubuntu on external hd, I have an answer here from ubuntu forum rich-c: dont be surprised at a sudden gush of gibberish as I fall asleep into the keyboard ;-) Daniel B: someone try and received two errors while booting rich-c: terminal errors, Daniel, or recoverable? Daniel B: well, it looks like there is a workaround solution, but it's not for ubuntu newbies... it looks tricky. Daniel B: also, there installation process is not the same if you have breezy or hoary versions. rich-c: OK, high geekery is rather beyond me - I shall consider myself warned rich-c: I have version 6.06 for PCs Daniel B: Drapper Drake version.... i think Daniel B: Dapper, sorry rich-c: I would like to have it where I can get at it and play with it rich-c: yes, I think you're right rich-c: I keep hearing that some Linux version can be run from within Windows, but don't know what that means let alone how it works Daniel B: steps to install ubuntu 6.06 on usb hd... Daniel B: boot with the livecd rich-c: and click on install Daniel B: press F2 to select language
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changed username to ronsemac Daniel B: right click on the disk and ask to eject ronsemac: Hi! Daniel B: click on install icon rich-c: hi Ron, ready to discard the wellies yet? ronsemac: huh? (wellies?) Daniel B: follow then the instruction and specify the usb hd, not the internal hd rich-c: rubber boots - Brit slang ronsemac: oh..... actually last week it was snowboots in Burnaby ronsemac: spent 10 days at the kids' place
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changed username to Pamela Pamela: Hi there, sorry I'm late ronsemac: hi Pamela Pamela: Hi, Ron ronsemac: how are ya? Pamela: good, now that I'm filling my tummy rich-c: to a maximum of 32 gb as that's the limit for FAT32, and it doesn't like NTFS ronsemac: geez....that's it, knew there was something wrong rich-c: hi daughter, got the laundry done now? Daniel B: when ubuntu ask where to install grub, answer the external hd /dev/sda Pamela: yeah, but for me it's ten to ten ronsemac: indeed it is Daniel B: Quit ubunut live and wait PC shutdown Daniel B: unplug the usb hd Pamela: laundry done, dried and folded - had to go out with Erin for a bit, and got distracted by a phone call until about ten minutes ago Pamela: hey Guy, how's it going? Pamela: and Daniel, hi too rich-c: OK - they were on here and Mandarin at 6.30 Sunday seems to be the order of the day Daniel B: and now, when needed plug the usb hd when you want to boot ubuntu on your computer. Pamela: what name is the reservation under? Daniel B: the external hd must be a 80Gig-130Gig... but can support a less space. rich-c: I also have Windows data files on the external so I don't want it shut off - they are in extended partitions rich-c: haven't made it yet - will do so tomorrow under my name Pamela: okay Pamela: so I missed them both? Daniel B: the source url for this ubuntu usb install information is the following link rich-c: fraid so Daniel B: http://www.gap.ien.05.ac-aix-marseille.fr/rre/article.php3?id_article=1562 Daniel B: I translated in english here. Pamela: pooh - was going to ask a favour of Rich. Oh well, will e-mail him ronsemac: Daniel, which version are you guys doing, 6.10? rich-c: OK Daniel, got the url copied rich-c: 6.06 Ron - Dapper Drake Daniel B: well, I instaled the version I received from "shipit" ronsemac: ok Pamela: ahh, much happier tummy ronsemac: anybody had any luck with wireless on that one yet? rich-c: yes, that's where I got mine - I have used it as a live CD Daniel B: It's easy to ask for ubuntu CDs... no cost... better try the livecd before installing it. rich-c: I think for me wireless is way down the pike - I can't even get my computers to network yet Daniel B: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ rich-c: in fact they send you four extra copies for your buddies Pamela: in order for them to network, they must both work first, Dad ronsemac: I've had some luck, but sporadic. Only way I can get it to work on the Acer is to steal the windows driver for the Broadcom card and use ndiswrapper rich-c: well, I'm online with the desktop, though it does have remaining glitches ronsemac: using 6.10 now, and haven't got wireless working yet ronsemac: by the way, people...... you might like to know ronsemac: over the past couple of days, I've had an exchange of e-mails with Tony Morehen ronsemac: he's still in Edmonton, but will be retiring in the fall, and has bought a house in Kanata rich-c: you found him??? come on, spill it out! Daniel B: well, it looks like I have the 6.06 version too. ronsemac: He says he's figuring on making Adamcon 19 Daniel B: and it's the lastWed Jan 24 21:57:05 GMT-05:00 2007: rich-c https://shipit.ubuntu.com/ ronsemac: yes, I think so rich-c: dynamite - bet Daniel and Guy will be monopolizing hin, though ronsemac: apparently Guy Cousineau is still with Agriculture Canada, but now living on PEI. Running a "bed and breakfast" rich-c: Dan and Guy - Tony is the guy who created TDOS and File Manager Daniel B: This Week With My Coleco ADAM 9708.31 : The chief problem with TDOS is that its creator, Tony Morehen, is no longer active in the ADAM community and is hence unavailable to maintain the code. ... ronsemac: well I hope that happens Rich... the monopolizing I mean rich-c: Guy running a B&B? now that's a surprise ronsemac: He says he hasn't done much with his Adam in years ronsemac: but that he will have a bunch of stuff to make available to the community at Adamcon rich-c: man, we have to get that word out, it ought to draw ronsemac: yes fer sure eh? rich-c: Dale and Rich will be seriously pleased, too ronsemac: exactly ronsemac: I told him about the chat here, wouldn't be surprised if he turns up rich-c: that would also be a valued treat, though he isn't much into games, is he? ronsemac: no ronsemac: from the sounds of it, he's heavily into Linux - apparently he's running Xandros Daniel B: well, I admit doing "spaghetti code" too. but I try to not doing this at work. :-) rich-c: still, programming is programming, and a bit doesn't care what you're using it for Pamela: sorry I'm quiet - downloading e-mail ronsemac: well hey1 ronsemac: hey! rich-c: you are actually checking your email? what a concept! Pamela: all 78 of them. Well, you do it - I have proof! rich-c: maybe when Pam gets a new computer we should find out how to put Ubuntu on the old one, see how it works Pamela: of which 9 are viable and 5 are from you, Dad : ) ronsemac: now now, get along you 2 Pamela: always, Ron : ) rich-c: it isn't nearly as demanding of system resources as Windows ronsemac: right ronsemac: try it, you'll like it rich-c: yes, there is stuff there that I think you might well want to read Pamela: gotta clean my mouse, though - driving me nuts ronsemac: get a cat ronsemac: you already have a cat rich-c: I'd say get an optical mouse, but then you'd have to install a driver, and I doubt your machine would allow it ronsemac: what is she running Rich? Pamela: I have an optical mouse already ronsemac: I mean, Pamela, what computer are you running? Pamela: it sticks when the feet on the bottom get dirty
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changed username to Guy B. Guy B.: Greetings All! Pamela: hello, Guy! Pamela: give or take Daniel B: hello guy rich-c: Win98 - on boot it won't initialize HIMEM.SYS and a couple of VMMs so she has only teh basic 640K of memory available rich-c: hello Guy B. Pamela: sorry you asked, Ron? : ) ronsemac: sorry- missed that-attention temporarily distracted- FOOD Pamela: see above : ) ronsemac: evening Mr. Bona rich-c: I have offered to install Win98SE for her since mine is surplus, but she doesn't want to Pamela: I don't see the point Dad, not at this stage in the game Guy B.: That's why I arrived late tonight. Since I'm on overtime, had to take care of Annie first, then fix dinner for me. ronsemac: hmmm Pamela: by the way, what have you all heard about Summit Direct? rich-c: nor can I figure out why the necessary files load but do not get initialized ronsemac: Summit Direct? Daniel B: I've just read a story similar about win98 and himem.sys on a forum Pamela: computer company ronsemac: no rich-c: are they local or mail order, Pam? I've heard the name but don't recall ronsemac: tell me more rich-c: got a url for that, Daniel? Daniel B: it looks like something was wrong is msconfig.sys file. a "path" problem because of extra "spaces" that cause himem.sys to be not reachable. strange. ronsemac: Sleepless in Montreal, wake up! Daniel B: it's in french Daniel B: http://www.commentcamarche.net/forum/affich-1481172-win-98-boot-error Pamela: local, Dad - two or three just in the city at least rich-c: do they advertise in HUB? Daniel B: this guy find out that his problem was some space caracters after the windows path in msconfig.sys Pamela: Steeles / Keele, The Queensway and one in Mississauga, I believe Pamela: have not seen an ad yet, no Daniel B: this guy started by booting on DOS Pamela: got the name from our IT manager at work - apparently it's where he gets the systems built for the office rich-c: I have the feeling I have seen them, but saw nothing pro or con Daniel B: he types path c:\windows\command on the command line to be able at least to use the "edit" command Daniel B: then he fix up the problem by editing the file msconfig.sys whitout erasing any thing except extra spaces. rich-c: not sure Pam would like me trying that on her system, but I think I'd be willing to Pamela: any idea how it got that way, Daniel? Mine is the result of a patch downloaded from Microsoft Daniel B: no idea, this guy doesn't give any more details rich-c: I had teh same thing but couldn't figure out where the problem originated - some otehr program did it Pamela: after we have the new one I'll consider letting you play with the old one, Dad Pamela: but not until then : ) ronsemac: :) Daniel B: if the files are really missing on your computer, you will have to take fresh ones from the original win98 cdrom. rich-c: anyway, does your office manager know Summit well enough to get you treated decently? Daniel B: but if it's only because windows refuse to load the files, it may be the path problem this guy had and fix. rich-c: they aren't missing, the bootlog showed them loading, but failure to initialize Pamela: I'm going to find out - I plan to call them for pricing at least rich-c: don't expect much discount, Pam, the small shops are down to the bone already Pamela: I'm not looking for discounting necessarily, I just want comparative pricing rich-c: but if they figure it's smarter to give you teh straight goods, you may have found a place to deal rich-c: also before you ask, determine what you want - go to the AMD website to pick your processor rich-c: and try motherboards.org for advice on that ronsemac: you're going to assemble from parts? rich-c: if you know waht you want and why, it will make it much easier for you to talk to them, and vice versa Pamela: we're still getting advice on processors rich-c: is there any other way, Ron? Daniel B: excuse me a minute, I have to check something now. be right back rich-c: I assume you want to stick with AMD, don't you? ronsemac: well, no, not really, but you can end up spending just about as much Pamela: to get what we want Ron, we're going to have to. In addition, we don't need a "package" deal - we don't need speakers, keyboard, mouse or monitor rich-c: oh tehre is no saving, it may cost mlre because it's better quality Pamela: AFAIK, yes we're sticking with AMD but that too will depend on which is the better processor for a gaming computer rich-c: the right motherboard can extend a computer's life for years Pamela: on the laptop? Definitely want an AMD ronsemac: of course, my last 2 were both Macs, and bought from a store ronsemac: haven't done the build thing lately. Getting lazy in my old age rich-c: that's easy - the new Intel Core4 - unfortunately the cheapest version is over $1000 US, though ronsemac: not there yet..... still have an Intel Core Duo, and a G4 Pamela: there are some who say that the dual and quad cores are not hte best processors for gaming computers rich-c: yes, the type of laptop you want, and teh uses, the AMD is a better choice rich-c: hold on while I get my beer ronsemac: In Heaven there is no beer, that's why we drink it here! ronsemac: (hic!) Pamela: I can't believe it's 10:30 already - I've had a busy evening ronsemac: (damned automatic phone dialers - that's 2 today) ronsemac: phone rings - nobody there ronsemac: in my humble view, people attempting to sell merchandise on the telephone should be lined up and shot Pamela: we had six calls today between 12:44 and 6:26 as "unknown caller". When I get my hands on them (metaphorically) I'm going to wring their necks. ronsemac: agreed Pamela: you'll get no argument from me, Ron rich-c: ADADs are illegal in Canada - if you can catch them at it Bell will cut off their phones ronsemac: I take it if I had caller ID, I'd get no info eh? Pamela: this is one of my soapboxes. I have a phone number and I should be able to choose who gets the number Pamela: and who calls me rich-c: so be patient, trick a name and phone number out of them, then bitch to Bell ronsemac: rapidly becomming one of mine rich-c: if it sounds scammy or phishy, tell Phonebusters Pamela: it was so quiet over the holidays, I thought my "no call" listing had finally kicked in Pamela: but, unfortunately, they're back rich-c: the only such calls we have had recently were on weekends - when Bell (including *65) and PB were shut down for the weekend Pamela: by the way, what was the name of the agency you mentioned Dad, whom most reputable advertisers are members of? ronsemac: It's a big bad dirty world out there Pamela: and six calls in six hours is harassment in my opinion ronsemac: from the same originator? rich-c: I don't recall - something like Canadian Direct Mail Association - have to look it up Pamela: looks like it - all unknown caller, all about 45 minutes apart Daniel B: the official solution to fix himem.sys problem is booting DOS with cd-rom support and try this : Pamela: i am pissed Pamela: pardon the language ronsemac: says it all Daniel B: go to the correct path for himem.sys Daniel B: do a copy of this file Pamela: are you getting this, Dad? Daniel B: copy himem.sys himem.old Daniel B: ask then to extract himem.sys from cd-rom cabs Daniel B: extract /y /a x:\win98\base4.cab himem.sys /l c:\windows (for win98) Daniel B: extract /y /a x:\win98\base5.cab himem.sys /l c:\windows (for win98se) Daniel B: if you have the cabs on your HD, you may prefer to do this Daniel B: extract /y /a c:\windows\options\cabs himem.sys /l c:\windows Pamela: hang on, gotta check a drip Daniel B: for missing or corrupted himem.sys rich-c: OK, think I got that copied Daniel B: of course you have to change x: by your cdrom drive letter ronsemac: I have it Rich if you don't rich-c: I'm using Clipboard Recorder so all I have to do is wait till it stops jumping around and hit control c ronsemac: right Pamela: sorry, the back window is wet and dripping rich-c: BTW if you are using Clipboard Recorder there is a new version 4.0.something out Pamela: had to check to make sure of no damage Pamela: everything drips around here! rich-c: well since it's heading to -17° tonight, it wil freeze soon enouhg Pamela: oh, ducky! rich-c: they are talkign a high of -13ºC tomorrow Pamela: that's okay as long as it's dry ronsemac: brrr... Pamela: it's the white stuff I object to rich-c: yes - I havent had teh van plugged in but it fired right up this morning Pamela: BRB rich-c: see no point in wasting volts when the engine isn't going to be started anyway ronsemac: amps or volts? rich-c: oh, couple of night ago I got my monthly fillup - at 70.5¢/litre ronsemac: I don't want to hear that!! ronsemac: still at 99.9 here rich-c: actually, KWH's or VACs would likely be more appropriate rich-c: man - I though 77 here today was unattractive ronsemac: they were down below 0.90 in Vancouver .88 something rich-c: ours has wild swings - and I have a 102l. tank - I can afford strtegic planning ronsemac: well, we are on an island you know... or so they keep telling us Pamela: there's a rumour, Ron : ) ronsemac: there was one station Jeff and I passed in Vancouver that was advertising 999.9 rich-c: so? it's cheaper to deliver commodities by ship than by truck or rail anyway Pamela: I filled the other night at 71.0 ronsemac: think he got his nines wrong Pamela: happy was I rich-c: I tend to fill once a month whether I need it or not ronsemac: happy should you have been ronsemac: Foxy the Fridge is not all that great on gas Pamela: Russell said the cheapest he's seen it on his way into work at night has been 69.9 Pamela: but that the place was packed rich-c: here the secret is to buy on Thursday night - that's when teh price war is on in earnest ronsemac: indeed rich-c: but there have been other evenings pretty good, too Pamela: and the closer to midnight, the better Pamela: but after midnight, look out - the price goes back up again rich-c: yes, it's so neat when you turn in at a really good price tehn see the sign roll - downwards - as you stop! rich-c: but the reerse is not so great Pamela: I actually had someone tell me to wait for a minute before I started pumping because the price was in the process of being changed ronsemac: farces of the market place Pamela: downward that is ronsemac: I demand, you supply Pamela: that's another of my soapboxes, Ron - don't get me started! ronsemac: :) (sorry) Pamela: I should have a T-shirt that says that : ) ronsemac: yes rich-c: Daniel, how are gas prices in Quebec these days? Pamela: and Guy, what are gas prices like in Chicago? rich-c: I think I figured 70.5/l Cdn. was about 2.25 US$ US gallon Pamela: Ron, do your gas prices yo-yo like this during teh course of a day, or does the price stay steady? Guy B.: Coming down. Around me it's around $ 2.13. But I filled mine aT $2.08 ronsemac: pretty steady from one week to the next. If one goes up or down, they all do Daniel B: gas price is approx 90 cents. Pamela: that's really good, Guy! rich-c: yes, here the stations pretty well move in sync ronsemac: However there's a Petrocan about 25 min south that routinely sells for 8-10 cents a litre cheaper ronsemac: he's right at the Denman Island ferry dock Daniel B: it's getting late and I'm still at work. ronsemac: stop working Daniel Pamela: I've heard people say that Ontario is the only place where the yo-yo effect happens, that in other parts of the country there is no movement from day to day, let alone hour to hour Daniel B: I'm reading my emails and quit rich-c: around here Petrocan is a price follower - Shell is the leader of the moment, and Sunoco at times Pamela: I usually find that Shell has the best prices, and I like their gas ( or should I say the car likes their gas) rich-c: of course we have teh toronto gas prices website to keep them honest ronsemac: yeah, I don't know how this guy can do it, except that given his position on the Inland Island highway, and all the residents of Hornby and Denman Island filling up before ronsemac: they take the ferry over home, he's probably doing fair volume rich-c: or the rest are riding the benefits of a near monopoly locally ronsemac: could be Guy B.: Well folks, I'm going to go here. Got to take one critter out soon and her 1 year anniversary is next Saturday. Pamela: I would say that if he's known for having good prices Ron, that he's probably getting word of mouth trade along with the routine stuff, making up for the price differential ronsemac: right on Guy rich-c: sounds like he's competing against the mainland for his trade so has to offer better Pamela: good night Guy, give Annie a good rub for us Guy B.: I will Pamela: (PRIVATE) and hugs to you : ) rich-c: night Guy, catch you next week ronsemac: definately some of that Pamela. If I know I'm going down island, I'll try to set it up so I fill there rich-c: do you have one of the (place)gasprices.com websites for the island, Ron?
Guy B. left chat session Pamela: I know I make a point of checking my favourite station on the way to Mom and Dad's and it's usually cheaper on the way home so I stop there routinely ronsemac: haven't looked Rich. suspect there probably is rich-c: might be worth checking and bookmarking - it lets you see patterns Pamela: but ya gotta love it when you can fill the tank for $23.00 ronsemac: I have a favourite in town because everytime I fill up there, I flash this card, and my community net gets money. rich-c: surpising how many "independent" gas stations are the highest priced in the city
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changed username to BobS ronsemac: one of these Mohawk deals - certain percentage of the sale goes to either a discount or a local non-profit BobS: HI kids Pamela: well, Robert, I wondered if you'd make it! ronsemac: I choose the latter rich-c: filling my tank even at cheapest woul be over $70
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changed username to Daniel B Daniel B: bonne nuit! rich-c: greetings, Bob, see you did make it Daniel B: I really have to leave now Pamela: good night, Daniel - stay warm! ronsemac: sounds like a priority BobS: sleepless.......??????????????????? BobS: yes sir it was Daniel B: hello Bob Pamela: Guy F - and he's been quiet since I arrived at 9:40 BobS: and a fine time had by all BobS: ahso ronsemac: very good Pamela: where for dinner, Bob? rich-c: bonsoir, Daniel = a la prochaine! ronsemac: my can of Diet coke is empty BobS: north of here about 30 minutes, a place called Timbers.....like a hunting lodge ronsemac: not good Pamela: (I suspect he fell asleep ) : ) BobS: probably Pamela: fix it, Ron Daniel B: Well, good luck with your computer problem Rich. And don't rush... do a copy and try the solution... with internet ready on another computer just in case. BobS: refill ronsemac: yes BobS: gonna tackle the XP problem Richard ? rich-c: well, it's Pam's computer so she will make the call Pamela: no, my VMM problem Bob Pamela: eventually : ) BobS: which does what Pam BobS: ??? Pamela: causes grief : ) rich-c: I think I have Microsoft stumped, they are slow to reply on an active case BobS: but how ?? Daniel B: off-topic : did you notice that there is no more spirograph drawing kit anywhere? I find a cheap one for one dollar but not the original game. Pamela: I think I still have mine somewhere, Daniel : ) - want it? ronsemac: gosh, havent seen one of those in years rich-c: loads but won't initialize HIMEM.SYS and related VMM files Pamela: Bob, VMM is Virtual Memory Manager Daniel B: thanks Pam... it's only a remark about what I notice. BobS: so therefore it won't boot up....... Pamela: and since I downloaded a patch from MS, it doesn't work anymore Pamela: it boots, but won't load anything because the computer thinks there isn't enough memory Daniel B: goodnight! and take care! BobS: that figures, that is Microsoft for you ronsemac: niters Daniel Pamela: g'nite, Daniel rich-c: oh it boots but teh only memory workspace is what's in the base 640K after the TSRs and OS BobS: nite Daniel Daniel B: * poof *
Daniel B left chat session BobS: got the original Win disk???? and programs you got on it? Pamela: 640 K??? Pamela: just a recovery disk, Bob ronsemac: damn! there oughta be a law against that Pamela: don't you mean 64 meg, Dad? BobS: format the hard drive and start over................hmmm and the recovery disk won't do it ???? rich-c: yes, we have Win95, she has a "recovery" disc of Win98, I have Win98SE off disc and legal to reuse Pamela: I haven't tried - too much to lose Pamela: once we get a new machine, will try it and see - at that point I don't care if we wipe the system BobS: copy off the programs you have onto another hard drive....or similar BobS: I just did on e of mine, deleted all of the windows directory and reinstalled windows rich-c: I don't think she ever partitioned her hard disc, Bob - it;s only 10 mb Pamela: 10 gig, Dad BobS: the programs all work good, they just don't show up in the add/remove programs, so you can't remove them rich-c: I could do a reinstall in the repair mode, but I'm not sure those files get rewritten in an upgrade BobS: 10 gig is BIG, most of mine are only up to 4 gig Pamela: it's 75% empty, Bob - I can't imagine what I would do with one that was 100 or 200 plus ronsemac: sh*t expands to fill the space available rich-c: Win98SE does have a mode where you can do the upgrade while retaining the existing files BobS: now I have Doug's castoff and this one has a 28 gig Pamela: ya got that right, Ron - but not on this computer for some reason ronsemac: you got 4 gig, you get 4 gig of sh*t ronsemac: you got 160 gig, you got 160 gig of BobS: YOU GOT IT RON!!!!! Pamela: actually, in my case I only have 2.5 gig of sh*t ronsemac: :)
(BobS gives ronsemac a can of Diet Coke.) Pamela: and it's never been over the 3 gig mark in 7 years as far as I know ronsemac: ahhh... thank you! BobS: you are WELCOME my man ronsemac: oh Bob, by the way... was telling the gang earlier, had an exchange of e-mail with Tony Morehen over the past couple of days ronsemac: looks like he might make it to Adamcon 19 BobS: I burned aq cd long time ago with all my extra programs on it, si when Windows is reinstalled, I can just reinstall the list BobS: cool !!!!!! now I just have to schedule it and try to make it Pamela: we will probably do that with the next machine ronsemac: apparently he's retiring in the fall - and is moving back to the Ottawa area ronsemac: do we have a date for 19 yet? Pamela: Bob! What happened with your offers and Judy's interview? Pamela: not yet, Ron Pamela: no peep from Neil yet ronsemac: thought I might have missed something ronsemac: sometimes I'm not the most attentive bulb in the garden BobS: absolutely nothing yet.......got to call the one who hedged the wage rate tomorrow, called the one I relly want, but they arenot done yet with 1st interviews BobS: and Judy's was not what she wanted anyway, but have heard nothing Pamela: the waiting is the hardest part ronsemac: gotta be tough on you both Bob rich-c: you know, I likely have a sopy of Norton Ghost she could use - except the image restored would still be corrupted BobS: not if we knew there would be some offers coming ronsemac: yeah BobS: the only way out is to start over with a clean installation ronsemac: yup.... scrape right down to bare metal, and then repaint BobS: for yours too Ricahrd rich-c: yes, but if I'm right, she would not lose her data files when it was being done ronsemac: you burn those to CD BobS: copy data files off Pamela: there's nothing left that I'm worried about Dad rich-c: no, I will let Microsoft sort it out - the trouble is with something in their update rocess BobS: kill, kill,kill Pamela: <do I hear an echo?> BobS: echo BobS: echo ?????? BobS: hello......... rich-c: you sound like these folks who want to cure a software problem by buying new hardware ronsemac: hello!!! Pamela: update is what caused my problem ronsemac: echo thru rockies, beyond and over to island ronsemac: then back BobS: darn right mon.........kill it,it is beyond microsoft's ability to fix rich-c: also, I am seeing an awful lot of comment from techies saying DO NOT TOUCH Vista with a ten-foot pole ronsemac: and I'm here to tell ya BobS: IF you can get it workingk, it will just blow up somewhere else ronsemac: VISTA ain't no better BobS: been ther, done that, just recently ronsemac: I am as mad as hell, and I ain't gonna take it any more ronsemac: going Linux ronsemac: or Mac BobS: read that Vista is nothing new under the sun ronsemac: or something ronsemac: mostly eye-candy Bob ronsemac: been running the beta for about 2 months on my Acer rich-c: it is new, it's very new, and new in ways very inimical to the average user BobS: well, I haven't found out anything that XP does better than 98se, cept boot slower unless you upgrade the computer substantially Pamela: Dad, did you send a copy of those articles to the Coladam list? rich-c: no, just to you personally Pamela: you should, or at least to Bob and Ron BobS: the only real reason to upgrade is to get somthing you can't do with the older version....that's my feeling, and I am stickin' to it ronsemac: son Jeff just bought himself a 23 in flatscreen monitor Pamela: I'm with you Bob ronsemac: Dad is jealous Pamela: yowza! rich-c: the newsletter they came from is way over my head, basically, but when they talk understandably very useful ronsemac: see, that's what workin does for ya Pamela: doesn't do it for me! Pamela: Obviously, I am doing the wrong work : ) ronsemac: well, what can I say, he's an engineer ronsemac: course, Dad kicked in a couple hundred at Christmas ronsemac: which he says put him over the top ronsemac: am I good or what? BobS: Doug says......" doesn't that run a lot faster?" actually no......we tried it out. Win 98 on P2 266mhz and WinXP on P3 1 ghz........same speed within a second or two rich-c: I am dubious about teh LCD monitors because I am not sure how to trust colour renditions that change every time you move your head ronsemac: Well, according to Jeff, this one comes with some sort of calibration that allows you to adjust. And Francesca is into photography, so she's interested rich-c: also, there are questions about teh refresh speed ronsemac: in consistency between the screen and what gets printed out rich-c: and I am not sure the 16/9 ration is rally good for my usual use ronsemac: Oh this one's beautiful Rich... I've seen it ronsemac: but it was $477. BobS: OUCH ronsemac: yeah, exactly rich-c: yes, they are a bit less around here, but not much BobS: that is lot of cash for a picture thingy ronsemac: I'm looking at the new iMac 23 inch myself..... rich-c: especially since teh early ones had a big problem with pixel burnout ronsemac: yes it is Pamela: I'm fine with my old 17" CDR, thanks ronsemac: need to ask myself, what do I really need Pamela: is that the right term? ronsemac: CDR? BobS: 17" !!!!!!! I am using a 15"crt and 12" and 14" on laptopWed Jan 24 23:24:38 GMT-05:00 2007: rich-c : rich-c: one of our carnuts group is a sports reporter/photographer and he is very happy with his LCD monitor Pamela: monitor rich-c: CRT he means I think Ron Pamela: yeah, that's it ronsemac: yeah... that's it CRT - cathode Ray Tube BobS: OR .....tv for a 'puter........... Pamela: it was a Christmas gift, Bob rich-c: I also wonder how stable it would be sitting on the desk ronsemac: I dunno.... some days I wish I could go back to a pencil and paper BobS: ok then Pamela: but it's a good quality monitor and works fine Pamela: I see no reason to replace it yet ronsemac: what has reason got to do with it? BobS: you know Ronald, somtimes I agree with you on the pencil and paer idea BobS: paper rich-c: you replace if you can get a benefit from doing so - I question if there is any benefit there Pamela: Okay, how about I have no money to replace it yet? ronsemac: now that I can understand BobS: ok, how about you don't need it unless you are gfoing blind Pamela: interestingly, I prefer typing to writing - it's faster, and it's neater rich-c: replacement doesn't cost that much, especially if you'll settle for say a 17" LCD Pamela: I wonder if that's the generation gap? BobS: that is true Pam, but sometimes it would be faster with pen and paper Pamela: besides, I can't backspace my mistakes with a pen : ) rich-c: depends on your typing speed, Bob - and how badly you need a spellchecker ronsemac: spillchaker? ronsemac: Wed Jan 24 23:28:25 GMT-05:00 2007: Pamela : Pamela: and, I'm a touch typist, so it's much faster for me than for some BobS: Pam, Judy says she got the EXCEL for Dummies book, but doesn't really need itbecause BobS: Excel is really ADAMcalc on steroids ronsemac: tee hee Pamela: well there you go rich-c: tol' ya so Pamela: it's a good reference anyway, especially for those shortcuts and timesaving tips, and for getting up to speed if you're just starting to use it Pamela: for me it was handy because I switched from Lotus 1-2-3 to Excel BobS: Excel has the formula's built in, so all you need to do is get the row,cell correct ronsemac: my library is full of "for Dummies" books ronsemac: and I am NOT a Dummy ronsemac: no? Pamela: no : ) ronsemac: tnk you BobS: what you need Ronald is Cliff's Notes,.......remember them from high school BobS: ???????????????????? ronsemac: oh yeah... good ol Cliff Pamela: we had Coles Notes, Bob rich-c: here we have teh originals - Coles Notes ronsemac: had Coles too BobS: same thing Pam, need them for quickk reference and quick lookups ronsemac: taught me everything I needed to pass the English Lit supplemental in grade 9 rich-c: Coles wre firstest and arguably bestest ronsemac: Thank the Lord for Cliff Pamela: never used one in my life - takes just as long to read the Coles notes as to actually read the book! Pamela: and, I like reading ronsemac: yeah, but they told me what to think Pamela: <says she, the product of two librarians> ronsemac: when it came to English Lit, I couldn't think Pamela: no comment : ) BobS: naw, they were readers digect version of the readers digest version of the actual book rich-c: they were good at calling to your attention things you might have missed, though ronsemac: yes, and there was a lot of that BobS: no lie !!!!!!! Pamela: then how come you wouldn't let me use them in school Dad??? ronsemac: I have no sense of human behaviour BobS: oh boy, we started something Ron ronsemac: indeed Pamela: he's thinking of a good excuse : ) rich-c: don't recall that, Pam - possibly because I didn't want you takig them to school ronsemac: come to think of it, I'm not sure if it was Cliff or Cole. ronsemac: here in the great white north, think it was Cole Pamela: I really don't think I missed much by not having them so don't worry too much Dad BobS: probably same book different name BobS: like the cars Pamela: yes, as in Coles book stores, Ron ronsemac: oh yes rich-c: Coles were yellow with black stripes on the covers ronsemac: that's them ronsemac: they're still around Pamela: not around here BobS: yup that's cliffs notes rich-c: I actually shopped at the first, original Coles book store Pamela: sold to W.H. Smith, who in turn was sold to Chapters ronsemac: and the food chain goes on and on and on Pamela: now all we have are superbookstores ronsemac: Indigo is in there somewhere ronsemac: or do you have Indigo in the east/ ronsemac: ? Pamela: at the end, I think Dad Pamela: sorry, Ron BobS: hey guys and dolls, got to hit the sack here rich-c: yes, Indigo bought the Smith conglomeration ronsemac: must be a Western thing ronsemac: ah Pamela: no Chapters bought Smithbooks, Indigo took over Chapters ronsemac: we still have a Coles here in Courtenay rich-c: sympathize, Bob - time is a'flittin BobS: so, we both say adios, goodbye, and auf wiedersehen, and aur revore ronsemac: but the loyalty card I got from them is good at Chapters and Indigo Pamela: goodnight Bob - we're keeping fingers toes and eyeballs crossed for both of you BobS: see you all next week, eh ? ronsemac: niter Mr. S be well to you both rich-c: night to you and Judy and see you next week BobS: THANKS
BobS left chat session ronsemac: anyway, I just love bookstores. I will go to my grave not having read 1/3 of my current collection rich-c: looks like bed time for me, too ronsemac: I buy them just to have them Pamela: which reminds me, I need to renew my card Pamela: I buy them and read them, and re-read them, and re-re read them (you get the idea) rich-c: know exactly what you mean, Ron - and you know I'm in the same state ronsemac: that's what most normal people do ronsemac: I'm such a slow reader Pamela: I have read every single one of my books, but Russell's got a roomful that I have to work on rich-c: I have lots of books I really want to re-read, but I can't seem to get around to them ronsemac: you're like my late mom (God rest her soul) Pamela: I don't think I read them so much as consume them ronsemac: voracious Pamela: ya got that right rich-c: and don't even ask about the unreaad essentials ronsemac: she could polish off a novel in a day or so ronsemac: and remember what it was about Pamela: a good thick novel takes me five or six hours ronsemac: well there ya go rich-c: there was a time when I could do that, too - Frances still can Pamela: and when I read, I have tunnel vision and hearing ronsemac: ?? Pamela: it's a great way to tune out the world ronsemac: right Pamela: I concentrate on the book so much that everything else fades into the background ronsemac: suppose I should do the supper dishes Pamela: as should I, and package lunch for tomorrow, and put away my laundry . . . rich-c: yes, and between the Tylenol3, beer and muscle relaxant, I'm overdue to keel over Pamela: sleep? who needs sleep? ronsemac: yes, there's laundry to fold here too.. so when you finish there... ronsemac: so guys...see ya's next week Pamela: I'll get right on that, Ron - as soon as I find my way out from under the piles of stuff here rich-c: right, Ron - on the re-run ronsemac: right...good Pamela: night, Ron ronsemac: niters Pamela: be good ronsemac: awww ronsemac: do I have to? rich-c: and I shall follow him out the door Pamela: go to bed, Daddy - I'll see you Sunday
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