rich-c: bonne nouvelle annee, Daniel! Daniel B: bonne annee! rich-c: how did you get through the holiday? Daniel B: goes fine for me... relax for most of the part.
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changed username to FosterTheSnowMan BobS: howdy all Daniel B: bonsoir Bob et Guy! BobS: I like the snowman thing rich-c: good show - got enough snow for Carnival? BobS: how2 much you have guy????? FosterTheSnowMan: Yeah, I got TONS of snow... want some? rich-c: happy new year, bob aand guy BobS: want NONE
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left chat session rich-c: thought you were selling it all on eBay ; - ) Daniel B: bonne annee! BobS: maybe is Jean Stone tryin to get in FosterTheSnowMan: We got close to 35 cms I believe since yesterday morning. BobS: OUCH FosterTheSnowMan: We haven't had this much snow here in Montreal since 1984. Daniel B: 400th anniversary ... Quebec founded in 1608. rich-c: on top of that record fall you had earlier? oh, wow! FosterTheSnowMan: Rich: Yes, on top of that. I've never shovelled this much in my life. rich-c: still, it's better than an ice storm
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changed username to Jean BobS: IT IS!!!!!! rich-c: hello Jean and happy new year BobS: ya made it my dear Jean: yes
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changed username to Dale rich-c: hello Dale Dale: Hi ya. Daniel B: goodnight! Dale: Busy place for so early. Jean: It took this old woman a few tries before I found the spot. Hi everyone!
moved to room Meeting Place rich-c: Frances is complaining that the chat transcripts haven't been up to date - have you had time to deal with that yet? Jean: I still need to know which month we are having our meeting.. I need to know so that my family can plan their trip with me BobS: what is goodnight Daniel ??????? BobS: Richard, has Pam made any inquiries for a hotel yet?????? rich-c: literal translation of French greeting that is both hello and goodbye
changed username to Guy B. Guy B.: Greetings and Happy New Year!!! Jean: Frances, I feel so ashamed that I have not kept up to date with you. rich-c: I know from comments she's dropped that she has been researching but isn't charmed by the results FosterTheSnowMan: Guy B: Here, grab some snow... Guy B.: We have enough, Guy FosterTheSnowMan: Guy B: Us too... rich-c: oh, Frances never comes on chat, just reads teh transcripts to check up on the old man FosterTheSnowMan: I'd like to officially petition for the snow to stay in the US, so far we keep on getting bad weather coming from the states and it affects us. BobS: oops that is not good Richard Guy B.: Almost 18 inches. Right now, we are cold. But a big warmup is coming for my area
moved to room Meeting Place FosterTheSnowMan: A big cooldown is coming ina few hours. I heard -28C for tonight. Dale: eeeek. Dale: that's too cold for me. rich-c: in fact, right now she is looking at carnuts.us where one of our guys has posted photos of his trip to San Antonio last week
changed username to Judy Guy B.: None of December's logs are up and I sent an e-mail to the list and I don't think it went through Judy: Hi, Everyone rich-c: hello, GuyB FosterTheSnowMan: hey Judy... (humm, isn't that a Beatles song???) :) rich-c: hello, Judy Judy: have you been sliding also rich-c: Dr.D. was asking last week if teh mailing list had been taken down as he could not access it Daniel B: Bonne anne a tous! Bonsoir tout le monde! Judy: I think that is hey Jud Jean: Judy I am so proud of your accomplishments..Yea FosterTheSnowMan: You're leaving so soon Dan? Dale: Hi Judy Judy: hi, Jean Judy: thank you Dale: The mailing list is down "temporarily". Jean: Yo hablo espanol. Dale: I haven't gotten back to working on putting it back up.
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changed username to Dr. D. Dale: I could have had a web based forum up same day, but he said no. rich-c: I do hope it really is only temporary - it's still our main line of communication Judy: have to enjoy the snow, ya know Dr. D.: Hi all. FosterTheSnowMan: Judy: Cool! I went with Tamara to play inthe snow today for the first time. At first she had no clue what to do with all that snow! Dale: Well, it's been down longer than I intended. Dr. D.: Happy New Year. rich-c: hi Rich, Dale' Jean: Company coming..hope tp see yoa all next week..bye Judy: Bob and I even went down the hill rich-c: s here so you can ask him about the mailing list
Jean left chat session Dale: My new ISP doesn't support the old mailinglist software by default BobS: nite Jean Judy: took the bump and all rich-c: night Jean, happy new year! Judy: night Jean Dr. D.: Lots of people were sledding yesterday. Dale: So I have to pick a time when I can either configure that, or replace it with an alternate package. Dr. D.: But today is too cold and icy I think. Judy: was a great day for it, not much wind and perfect snow BobS: how much snow did you get Dr D???????? Dr. D.: I am told Cleveland got a foot of snow yesterday. Dr. D.: Here in Toronto, only a few inches. BobS: yuck too Dr. D.: I am here with Rin until Monday. BobS: tis coming your way in Toronto rich-c: yes, we had a high of -12C today with -17 called for tonight Dale: I payed double what I otherwise would have to keep this chat server, and support the mailing list on my new ISP. Dale: So in principle I support the use of both. Dr. D.: Rin and I were out at a park yesterday for a few hours. I made a Snow Rin, she made a Snow CN Tower. FosterTheSnowMan: Snowblowers around here are impossible to find, most stores are out of stock. Dale: It is just a matter of configuring the mailing list ,to bring it back up. BobS: they should accomodate youbetter then dale rich-c: in our part of Toronto we had quite a deep snowfall, about ten inches at a guess Judy: ours has been working, just to keep up with all the snow Guy B.: Dr D, how much snow by you? Dr. D.: Here it's nowhere near that deep, Richard. Dale: Well, I got an account where I can do it all myself, if they don't have everything I need. Dr. D.: A few inches at best outside Rin's apartment. FosterTheSnowMan: If it snows this much, a snowblower will be a potential purchase within the next year or so. Dale: It is just quicker to use the preconfigured stuff. Dr. D.: This is "normal winter" to me, from my boyhood at any rate. Dale: And I've been very very sick for about 3 weeks. I'm finally getting better, the last few days. FosterTheSnowMan: This winter resembles the winters I had a kid as well, here, in Montreal. rich-c: well, our gardeners keep themselves alive over the winter with snow clearing, and the last fall was a bonanza day for them FosterTheSnowMan: how much does it cost to get a snow removal contract? FosterTheSnowMan: stairs/driveway Judy: not here, it keeps on melting we used to get a lot of snow but it stayed for most of the winter rich-c: what sort of bug bit you this time, Dale? Judy: this is an odd winter we have snow and the next week it all melts Dale: Well, it should have been a simple cold and cough, but I let it get right out of hand. FosterTheSnowMan: Well, it's better than an ice storm, like Rich said. :) rich-c: that I have found not to be teh best decision, Dale Dale: My Asthma took over. I even needed to pop into the hospital for 5 hours about a week ago. Judy: glad that you are on the mend now Dale rich-c: five hours sitting waiting, five minutes for treatment? BobS: you HAVE to take better care of yourself Dale Daniel B: I'm still there, not leaving ... just not totaly there. Dale: Naw, our local hospital had me in a treatment room in 5 minutes. Dr. D.: Last time I was hospitalized for asthma, I spent a week in an oxygen tent. Not sure they do that anymore. Dale: They kept saying "you should never let you get that hot" Dr. D.: That was about 1970 :-) Judy: you just made me feel better BobS: makes our little xmas sickness seem piddly Judy: I was feeling sorry for myself for being sick so much rich-c: face it, Rich, your hours and lifestyle drive the medical gurus to despair Dale: I don't know what they were talking about, but after they released me, I watched my temperature, and had to take tylonol every 3 hours to keep the fever away. After 16 hours, the fever broke, and I was happier. Dr. D.: Sorry to hear that anyone is sick. I have been lucky I guess, no colds or flu. I got a flu shot the day after Thanksgiving at my annual physical. rich-c: yes, Frsances and I are pretty religious about our flu shots too Judy: I had a flu shot but had a cold Dale: Well, I just should have been more careful. I've avoided major sickness the last 2 or 3 years. Dr. D.: This is the first year I ever got one. Doctor said I was now "old enough" BobS: but even with the flu shots, you can get other and asundry illness' FosterTheSnowMan: I avoid flu shots after I saw a friend of mine get hospitalized 3 hours after getting her flu shot. She had an allergic reaction to it, and it's freaked me out ever since. Dr. D.: That is true. rich-c: the shots only protect against one variety of flu, nothing else Judy: make you feel good, Dr D you are old enough for a flu shot Dr. D.: hehe, old enough at age 45 Dale: Last year I took that Cold FX stuff. I think it does the trick, but this time I didn't take it. rich-c: the idea is to maybe head off a pandemic like 1919 if they guess right Dr. D.: My Grandpa Drushel survived the 1918 outbreak in Ohio. FosterTheSnowMan: A flu outbreak? Never heard of that... interesting, will have to read up about it. Dr. D.: Very high fever for days...ended up damaging his kidneys some. rich-c: so did all my family, but an awful lot of Americans and Canadians didn't Dale: Happens one or twice per century, as far back as I've studied. Usually kills lots of people. rich-c: you sure should, Guy - we're overdue for the next one and you have a lot to lose FosterTheSnowMan: No, I don't believe in flu shots, sorry, not after what my friend went through. rich-c: yes, killed off significantly more people than the war itself, I believe Dr. D.: Well, vaccines in general these days seem to aggravate people's allergies. Dr. D.: Or rather, there seem to be lots more people allergic to stuff than used to be. rich-c: I think I'd want to see some pretty solid research citations on that, Rich Dr. D.: Most vaccines have an egg base, many many more folks with egg allergies nowadays. rich-c: but yes, the expansion in allergies - and astyhma - has been scary rich-c: yes, not sure how they vaccinate those with an allergy to egg protein Dr. D.: They don't. Dr. D.: It is a fear, if immigration requires Rin to have certain vaccines, she has not had them due to egg allergy. rich-c: that's likely the problem with Guy's friend, then Dr. D.: That is what I suspect. FosterTheSnowMan: She had some sort of allergice reaction in the brain, that's what I seem to remember. FosterTheSnowMan: Freaked the hell out of me. Dr. D.: Encephalitis, that is very dangerous. Dr. D.: It probably caused seizures. FosterTheSnowMan: She could have died because of that shot. Dr. D.: That is true...and there in is the roll of the dice: which is greater probability, dying of the disease or of the vaccine? FosterTheSnowMan: Why would it cause a problem though? Aren't flu shots just an injection of the current flu strain? rich-c: if she had that severe an allergy I am surprised she was not aware of it long since Dr. D.: They have to grow the virus in something, even if they use it killed later...oftentimes eggs are used to incubate. rich-c: it's not the germs, it's the medium in which they are cultured, most often eggs FosterTheSnowMan: Rich: She had no allergies whatsoever, just go a reaction to the shot, but no other type of allergies. Dr. D.: It is an active area of research to find non-egg-based vaccines. Dale: Well, the issues with the flu shot are supposed to be about 1 in 10,000. FosterTheSnowMan: Yes, 1 in 10,000 that's what I remmeber them saying. She was the 1. rich-c: remembering, of course, that there are degrees of issues Dr. D.: Sometimes the reaction to the vaccine is what they would have if they actually got the disease... Dr. D.: The purpose of the vaccine is to give your own immune system something to raise antibodies to, that will not kill you in the process. rich-c: Guy, if you do not know about vaccines, some 'net time on medical sites would be worthwhile for you Dr. D.: However, some people already have antibodies to the virus, and the vaccine provokes a big response. Dale: That reaction, Dr D rarely lasts more than a couple of hours. Dale: And never more than a day, from my reading. FosterTheSnowMan: Rich: I am 35, I am not in the 'vaccine" demographics yet. Dale: Where the flu would wipe you out for at least 3 days. Dr. D.: "Vaccine' includes childhood immunizations too. rich-c: you are going to have to make some big decisions soon, Guy, where Talia is concerned Dr. D.: It has been awhile since I read up on it in any detail; I just let my kids get what the pediatrician said and when. Dr. D.: And my girls all got the cervical cancer vaccine this year, Joan tells me. rich-c: how often do polio shots have to be renewed now? I know tetanus is every ten years or so FosterTheSnowMan: Well, we give the prescribed vaccines to our children, that's for sure, but the flu vaccine, last time I checked was not a neccessity unless you were part of a certain age group. Dr. D.: Flu, yes, certain age groups...mostly that is rationing of vaccine supplies though. Dr. D.: We will see if it works for me this year...it is always a crap shoot as to what the dominant strains will be in any given year. rich-c: essentially the age grouping is a form of triage, those likeliest to die get it first FosterTheSnowMan: haven't been sick as of yet.. crossing my fingers. Judy: they do advise under one or two year olds to have the shot also FosterTheSnowMan: I'll see what my Ped says about that... rich-c: and remember as soon as children start going out to play, they bring home all sorts of germs Dr. D.: Oh yes...we were sick for about 7 years straight once Christina started into daycare. BobS: it is the class of friends they have Richard FosterTheSnowMan: My wife says our Pediatrician did not mention anything about a flu shot to her. Daniel B: Question : Since Dale, GuyF and I are working to release our minigames for ColecoVision, we did a first beta version. It's playable but it's not finish yet. Even during the holidays, I didn't work on the project like I wanted first. Dr. D.: All the "common diseases" had mutated, and we didn't have immunity to it, so we were sick alot. Daniel B: My question is : Do you want to try the actual beta version? Dale: Not many gamers here tonight I think. Judy: had a lot of problems myself once I started watching the grandkids, they brougt all the germs over to gram Dr. D.: But eventually we got over it. Daniel B: I want particulary constructive comments about the project to finish it well. rich-c: reminds me, GuyB, can you (again) give me the url for the Emulator utilities? didn't you change it lately? FosterTheSnowMan: Does using a flu shot decrease your natural's immune system from fighting of different strains? Dr. D.: I don't think so Guy. FosterTheSnowMan: Such as, using a flu shot make you more dependant each year on getting the shot? Dr. D.: No. Dale: They say there are 4 mjor strains. The flu shot will help most with one, and somewhat with 2 of the other three. Or that's how I understand it. Dr. D.: The reason for the shot every year is that the virus is mutating all the time. rich-c: no, it strengthens your immunity to a specific strain but may be beneficial against similar strains as well Judy: don't know but since I started getting the flu shots I have not gotten the flu FosterTheSnowMan: But how does it protect you from getting sick, since the flu is basically being injected into your system. Dr. D.: The epidemiologists have decades of strains in the freezers...they make a guess about what will most likely be in the wild, then use the library strains to make a vaccine. Dr. D.: The mutations are in the surface proteins of the virus...they change from strain to strain, year to year. rich-c: ditto Judy, but some of that I recognize as lifestyle and some as plain dumb luck Dale: Once in a while they bet wrong, and people who get the flu shot are still susceptible to the most common strain that year. FosterTheSnowMan: how about a "super" flu shot, with every single strain in it. :) Judy: you don't get enough to make you sick Dr. D.: Immunity to one strain may not transfer exactly to another. Dr. D.: Too many strains for that, Guy...and the virus is designed to mutate to make new ones. Dr. D.: Immunity works by 3-dimensional recognition of protein or other shapes...the virus keeps changing its shapes, so existing antibodies may not fit the new ones. Dale: It is dead flu that is injected, so it just stimulates your immune system. Dr. D.: (highly simplified_ FosterTheSnowMan: The flu from 1918/1919, what was so special about it? Why couldn't humans just fight it off with their regular immune systems like they do every year? Dr. D.: I would have to review the history of it...but some of the mutations affect how fast the virus can replicate, or invade cells. rich-c: the disease constantly mutates - that mutation was more effective at mass murder Dale: Well wikipedia says: Dale: The "Spanish flu", 1918–1919. First identified early March 1918 in US troops training at Camp Funston, Kansas, by October 1918 it had spread to become a world-wide pandemic on all continents. Unusually deadly and virulent, it ended nearly as quickly as it began, vanishing completely within 18 months. In six months, 25 million were dead; some estimates put the total of those killed worldwide at over twice that number. An estimated 17 million died in India, 500,000 in the United States and 200,000 in the UK. The virus was recently reconstructed by scientists at the CDC studying remains preserved by the Alaskan permafrost. They identified it as a type of H1N1 virus[citation needed]. Dr. D.: The 1918/1919 strain was very virulent. Dr. D.: Yes I remember about them digging up someone in Alaska and recovering the actual virus. FosterTheSnowMan: Holy cr*p... Now that's wht I call devastation. rich-c: yes, they also got some from graves on Jan Mayen Island FosterTheSnowMan: are we immune to it, since our ancestors most likely survived it? Dr. D.: So that is the backdrop for fears of what an AIDS pandemic or ebola pandemic or another flu pandemic could do. rich-c: yes, the Canada Health lab in Manitoba has a sample FosterTheSnowMan: Yes, the H5N1 (bird flu) virus. Dr. D.: In general, descendants of people who survived it (actually got the disease but recovered) would be more likely to survive it again, but there are many other factors that can affect survival. rich-c: no, your immunity to anything is far more complex, Guy Dr. D.: I am sure sanitation, nutrition, etc. played a factor. FosterTheSnowMan: hmm, conflicting answers... Dr. D.: Population density, to reduce spread. FosterTheSnowMan: will have to read about it, sounds fascinating. rich-c: not really Guy, more like the same thing differently phrased Dr. D.: Epidemiology is an exciting profession. rich-c: proceeding from difference basic assumptions, as it were FosterTheSnowMan: I'm sure it is! rich-c: theres a book - forget the author ' titled "Rats, lice and history" that's a bit of a classic in the field Dr. D.: It would take many generations of being exposed to exactly the same virus strain, and surviving all the while, and interbreeding among survivors, to make a real difference in the average person's "survivability".
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changed username to Pamela Dr. D.: Hi Pam. FosterTheSnowMan: Some races are more immune to certain things than others, if I remember reading correctly. Guy B.: HI Pam Dale: Looks like so far the bird flu is just that. Limited to bird to human transmission. Judy: hi, Pam rich-c: hello daughter Dale: Hi Pam. Pamela: Hi folks, sorry I'm late BobS: HI PAM Dale: We're talking pandemics tonight. FosterTheSnowMan: Hi Pam. rich-c: Jean was on earlier, asking about progress in setting a date for Adamcon BobS: ok ok no excuses Pamela: I have made progress in setting a target date, so now I need to see how well it fits with our target area FosterTheSnowMan: What's the target date? :) Dr. D.: Pam, I just resurrected my E-mail of dates to Rin, and my conference in Pittsburgh is June 23, 24, and 25...no way to know yet which of the days is my presentation day. Pamela: hang on, licking my fingers rich-c: ouch - that's the end of the period of reasonable prices BobS: oops Pamela: my target date is either the 12th to 15th of June or the 19th to 22nd. I'd prefer the former. Dr. D.: I am available before that...only other big date in June for me is June 1st, Elanor's high school graduation. FosterTheSnowMan: Adamcon should be held in Cuba in February. $650 or so for an all inclusive hotel (3 1/2 stars) for 1 week. Not sure about Internet access though. :) Pamela: However, at this point it's a crap shoot - we may not be able to get a hotel that falls in that range Dr. D.: No Americans can go to Cuba...we would have to settle for video chat. FosterTheSnowMan: Ok, Mexico then. Judy: no Cuba, Guy Pamela: I looked at my work schedule and mid June is the best fit for me BobS: Acapulco???????? FosterTheSnowMan: Cancun! FosterTheSnowMan: Been to Acapulco, it's nice, but.. Cancun is nicer. :) rich-c: how about Costa Rica? that's been getting some good reviews FosterTheSnowMan: Yup, Costa Rica is nice, but more $$$. Pamela: Dale, my concern is for you being able to pull Jeffrey from school that close to the end - what do you think? rich-c: Belize, maybe? Dr. D.: No non-Canada international travel for me this year. FosterTheSnowMan: Belize, now you're in the Club Med price range. rich-c: that good or bad? BobS: never been to Belize, but WANT too FosterTheSnowMan: Rich: $3000 bad. FosterTheSnowMan: Rich: If not more. rich-c: <gulp> BobS: ok letsl just visit briefly Dr. D.: Rin is paging me, so I am going to sign off for tonight. rich-c: for that we could do New Zealand on a discount flight Dr. D.: Hope you feel better Dale, sorry to hear you had a rough time of it. rich-c: OK say happy new year to her for us, Rich Dr. D.: And the mailing list...it can stay down, I have been getting no spam at all to my APKnet E-mail address now :-) Dr. D.: Happy New Year from Rich -n- Rin. FosterTheSnowMan: Hope we can get Niagara Falls done at an affordable price, looks like it's going to be tough. Dr. D.: And next week I will be back in Cleveland :-S Dr. D.: <poof>
Dr. D. left chat session FosterTheSnowMan: paf rich-c: well teh shoulder seasons are quite reasonable, going by their local ads - they had stuff on offer in September in our league rich-c: mid-June its really pretty in Niagara, but I don't know how early or high the prices rise Pamela: darn I missed Rich rich-c: well he's just downstairs with Rin - he's here till Monday Pamela: yes Pamela: I was picking his brain about this the other nite rich-c: Dale, maybe you can answer a question for me FosterTheSnowMan: well, we'll leave it in Pam's capable hands to figure out something for us, I have 100% confidence that she will get us the best deal possible. Pamela: and may do so again Pamela: but no pressure: ) rich-c: how current can a computer be and still support the Adam emulator, DD disc drives both sizes? Pamela: I think Dale fell asleep FosterTheSnowMan: Rich-C: There is an emulator for windows that will emulate a more ancient machine, forget what it's called... I used it to run an older MS-DOS game I used to play. rich-c: for instance, I would guess the emulator needs FAT32 and would prefer FAT16 Pamela: so for the rest of you, how do those dates work? rich-c: fine here, far as we know Pamela: Bob? Judy? BobS: ya BobS: works for us Pamela: Daniel? rich-c: my computer is six years old but meets basically all my needs, but I'm wondering about modernization Judy: we are back was just making Bobs lunch Pamela: I'm back to typing with one hand while I eat FosterTheSnowMan: pizza arrived... yay rich-c: well while the gamers are PMing, I'm going to get a beer BobS: KEEP THE FOOD YUCKIES OFF THE KEYBOARD Pamela: Guys? Judy: am eating also and I have a rum and coke to relax me BobS: we have no kiddies inschool Pamela: there, that's better Pamela: happy tummy FosterTheSnowMan: hmm, wonder where Ron is. Judy: the sliding was good but the flip was not so good BobS: you got rid of the "rumbly in your tumbly" ??????? BobS: thas good Pamela: not rumblies, but even more disturbing - grumblies rich-c: at a gyess, Ron is in Calgary BobS: OOOHHHHH rich-c: or rather, Edmonton BobS: STILL vacationing?????? Pamela: I thought he was back home this week FosterTheSnowMan: ahhhh BobS: you'd think he is retired, wouldn't you?????????? Pamela: Gui, I like your sense of language humour Pamela: say rather, unemployed FosterTheSnowMan: pam: u do??? Pamela: I do Pamela: very clever FosterTheSnowMan: pam: thx! FosterTheSnowMan: Daniel Boone: Ou est tu?!?!??! Pamela: just as I admire Mother and Dad's consistent ability to come up with things like cleechez rich-c: geez, you guys are no help at all BobS: you didn't say you wanted hellp Richard FosterTheSnowMan: I remember an actor back in the 70s, his name Lee Van Clee... Or was it Lee Van Cliff? BobS: Van BobS: Cleef rich-c: just any idea how new a computer I can buy and still run the Adam Emulator BobS: maybe FosterTheSnowMan: Lee Van? BobS: can run it with a p3 1ghz running win XP BobS: so...........the onlyproblem would be abouthooking up a 5 1/4 drive to it rich-c: can you run it with a 4 ghz Athlon 64. BIOS to match? Pamela: DANIEL! FosterTheSnowMan: quad core? Daniel B: I'm here. BobS: I am not THAT rich sir.....to know about those high falutin things Daniel B: just trying to write an email rich-c: I dunno - I need to know what to avoid buying, that's all Pamela: dormez-vous? FosterTheSnowMan: to whom? Daniel B: to coleco programmers Pamela: well that worked, think I can rouse Guy the same way? Daniel B: asking for beta testers, serious ones, for the minigames cartridge project rich-c: like if it needs an FAT32 or lower file system, no point in buying a hard disc iver ~160 gb, right? Daniel B: FAT32 ? errr.... 160gb is limit for some BIOS, but I'm not sure about FAT32. I need to check Pamela: Daniel, check your calender for the weekend of June 12-15th rich-c: well, FAT32 has a partition size limit of 32 GB (roughly) and allows four partitions Daniel B: it'S too earlier to check these dates, Pam. But I know for sure it's near my birthday (june 18th) Pamela: well then keep them clear for now FosterTheSnowMan: Daniel: We'll celebrate your birthday them, a la Adamcon style. rich-c: good Daniel, plan to celebrate it in Niagara Falls Pamela: that's my first choice of dates FosterTheSnowMan: We'll throw you in a tub down the Niagara Falls. Pamela: Mine is the following week, the 26th BobS: and YOU my dear are the queen of the con BobS: so you set the pace Pamela: well there's no point in being queen if none of your subjects show up : ) BobS: Richard, good questions all......looking @ the ADAMEM website and see nothing....... FosterTheSnowMan: pay for us, and we'll also show up for sure. :) FosterTheSnowMan: as a queen, you must have the funds $$$ Pamela: unfortunately, I'm not the queen of green : ) Daniel B: Mathieu Proulx : june 25th. (a friend of mine, he did a few ColecoVision games in C like 421) Judy: what is the saying YOU PLAN, THEY COME!!! FosterTheSnowMan: Why are you giving us Mathieu's birthdate??? rich-c: the otehr issue, Bob, is will a current BIOS still support both floppy drives in double density mode for read/format BobS: best way to get an answer may be to emial Marcel DeKogel himself........... dekogel@giganda.komkon.org Pamela: Mr. Pamela: Bona, you there? rich-c: no, he's busy surfing in another window FosterTheSnowMan: macGUYver... BobS: onlyu the computer gurus can answer if the new boards will support older drives......... Daniel B: Win98 does not support drives over 137 GB. And Win98 uses FAT32, not NTFS. Pamela: : ) FosterTheSnowMan: BUT there are special versions of Win98 that will support NTFS! FosterTheSnowMan: I think I wwas reading about that a few years ago. FosterTheSnowMan: but not common. rich-c: yes, but I have WinXP, and the emulator is running (badly) on our laptop - but it has no floppy drives Daniel B: Windows native partitioning system doesn'T do FAT32 partition more than 32GB. However, partitions larger than 32GB in FAT32 is clearly possible. Daniel B: a FAT32 volume can theoretically be about 8 terabytes rich-c: or are they? I have a 40 gig hard disc with three partitions - one primary and two extended, though FosterTheSnowMan: how about running the emulator in MS-DOS mode using a boot disk? is that at all possible? BobS: sure should be, that is what the ADAM emulator started out as rich-c: there is no MS-DOS underlying XP Daniel B: well, BIOS have limit on size in gb you can use for harddrive. and Windows impose limits to create partition in FAT32. BobS: would have to have a dual boot drive Ricdhard Daniel B: I tried dosbox, a dos emulator, and it runs adamem, but don't try to use the adamem-frontend-gui interface with it. FosterTheSnowMan: yes, that's wht I was talking about previously. DOSBOX, thanks for the name Dan. Pamela: brb rich-c: I'd like a quad boot, really, XP/XP/Ubuntu primary partitions and an NTFS XP partition FosterTheSnowMan: XP / XP? 2 XPs co-existing in harmony side-by-side? rich-c: with a dual boot, why not? neither knows the other is there FosterTheSnowMan: probably, I have never tried it myself... BobS: I am also just a one program man............ rich-c: yes, but you use a Mac, which is different rich-c: well, Bob, I want to find out if Ubuntu is something I can live with and is worth pursuing FosterTheSnowMan: I use a Mac as my primary rig, but do have a few Windows systems lying around... I just don't enjoy them as much as the Mac. BobS: I haven't the slightest idea about Ubuntu rich-c: it is rated as one of the most user-friendly distributions of Linux, for what that's worth FosterTheSnowMan: Yep, easy to install, works really well out of the box. FosterTheSnowMan: used it last year as an alternative to Windows. Daniel B: I think Ubuntu means community FosterTheSnowMan: in Africaans. rich-c: in fact I just downloaded the latest version distribution disc image today - 700 meg! FosterTheSnowMan: or is it, Afrikaan. Daniel B: I was wrong Daniel B: it means "humanity to others" FosterTheSnowMan: Ubuntu is a concept of community. rich-c: I used teh live CD of the earlier version last year during a couple of my regular crashes of XP BobS: works as windows does and runs all programns??????? rich-c: it was the only way I could get on the net FosterTheSnowMan: Nope, it's not a Windows replacement, it's a Linux distro. Daniel B: If I find a way, I will try to build a new PC, silent, low energy cost, with multimedia capacity, and very small. FosterTheSnowMan: Get a Mac Mini Dan and install Windows on it. FosterTheSnowMan: It's TINY and very capable. Daniel B: I saw the "pico-itx" from via, and it's amazing. Pamela: here's a question for you - can a laptop be upgraded? rich-c: yes, if you want to pay teh price FosterTheSnowMan: Memory yes, other things such as graphic cards, nope... CPU, perhaps. rich-c: memory or hard discs are easy to come by and install FosterTheSnowMan: What do you need upgraded? Daniel B: pico-itx is a motherboard, the size of an old gameboy, and is pc compatible, can use a via processor to avoid using a fan, etc. Pamela: I don't at the moment, but I was wondering about in the future FosterTheSnowMan: hard drives and memory as easily upgradable, other components, not too sure. Daniel B: the tests of the pico-itx + via processor is 20 watts at the peak! Daniel B: and no sound! BobS: laptop upgrade.........same as buy a newer laptop, cause old on is not worth spit FosterTheSnowMan: Dan: Do you want to run it off batteries or something? rich-c: laptops are prone to breaking so upgrading them is problematic rich-c: rough if you put in a new hard disc the day before teh display screen goes phfft BobS: ya just save the old laptop for running ADAMem FosterTheSnowMan: That's what the world needs, an Adam laptop. Guy B.: Yep Pamela: well I suppose if a new hard disc can installed, it can be uninstalled FosterTheSnowMan: GuyB is back ladies and gents! rich-c: well look who's here - where you been, Guy? Guy B.: I'm chatting on Yahoo IM with a friend Pamela: hey Guy, check your calender for June 12-15th Guy B.: Plus looking up stuff on OpenOffice and Ubuntu forums rich-c: oh - what's the url for AdamEm Utilities? didn't you change it? BobS: youknow.........I could start windows and bounce immediately into ADAMem......................... FosterTheSnowMan: wonder if they have openoffice for the mac. rich-c: there's a new Ubuntu out, 7.10 - I downloaded it today Dale: GuyF there is a FGPA ColecoVision. rich-c: and OpenCD has now been supplanted by OpenDisc BobS: use a parallel port 5 1/4" floppy and the onboard 1.44m floppy and AWAY WE GO FosterTheSnowMan: Dale: Is there? Does it really exist? Dale: So with some small upgrades, you'll get a ColecoVision on an FPGA. FosterTheSnowMan: That's what the world needs. Daniel B: I'm looking to make a media center silent with possibility to customize and program it like I want. Dale: For about $60 you could build a battery operated one I'd expect. FosterTheSnowMan: Daniel: Look into the iTV. Dale: (assuming you could scrounge the LCD) Daniel B: just using the dvd player I have is painful for the ears. Daniel B: and a normal desktop computer, even a laptop, is making too much noise FosterTheSnowMan: Solution: Don't use a DVD player. Extract DVD onto hard drive and run it from there. Dale: It really works. Daniel B: I will use wifi network, maybe a hardrive in a special silent case. FosterTheSnowMan: never heard of it Dale... where can one buy it? Dale: I've downloaded it, but I haven't tried it yet. FosterTheSnowMan: Daniel: That's what the iTV does, uses WiFi to stream content to your TV. Dale: It would probably work on my prototype board. Pamela: Dale did you catch my earlier question? Daniel B: I don'T want a ready-made solution. I want to build one. I know how. Dale: It's open source. You can't buy the CV, just download the plans for free. rich-c: it's OK, Pam, GuyB isn't listening either FosterTheSnowMan: Dan: Good luck. I tried a few years back with some amount of success. I found the remote control aspect of things lacking... I built my own RF receiver and plugged it into the serial port. Daniel B: I worked two years on a system media center for hotel rooms, I know exactly what I want and how to make it. just need material and time. rich-c: GuyB: are you there??? FosterTheSnowMan: I just need $$$ to buy the ready-made solution. :) Pamela: hello? Daniel B: yes Daniel B: I'm here Daniel B: and you? Pamela: nope rich-c: we're here but GuyB seems to have left us again BobS: nope I am gone too BobS: ah Pamela: Dale, I'm aiming for June 12-15th. How do you feel about pulling Jeffrey out of school for a day that close to the end? rich-c: give him time, Pam, he likely has to talk to Jill about it Dale: I'll do it if I have to. Dale: Or he'll join in Friday after school. Guy B.: Well folks, sorry I was too quiet tonight. Will see you all next week Pamela: one of the bonuses of the Niagara area is it's close Pamela: GUY FosterTheSnowMan: don't they usually do absolutely nothing in class towards the last few days in school? Pamela: don't go a way yet Dale: It is only 4 hour drive away, so coming seperately is still an option. rich-c: well, how uncomfortable would it make you? really upset? or just, well, it's like he has a sick day? Guy B.: Why Pamela: check your calendar Pamela: June 12-15th Daniel B: well, it's true that you are closer to Niagara than where I am now. Guy B.: Those are the dates? rich-c: Guy. for the fourth tim Pamela: tentative FosterTheSnowMan: Dan: The only thing you are closer to anyone is Montreal! Guy B.: Ok, I'll wrute them down rich-c: what is the new url for the AdamEm utilities Judy: think I will sigh-off so goodnight all until next week Guy B.: write that is Pamela: goodnight Judy FosterTheSnowMan: salut Judy et bonne nuit. Pamela: do they work for you? Daniel B: err, GuyF, you didn't count yourself by saying that. rich-c: night Judy, see you next week
Judy left chat session Daniel B: you, GuyF, you are more closer to Montreal than me. FosterTheSnowMan: Dan: I am pretty close to Montreal. Guy B.: Not up yet. I'm working on it. You can still use the current one www.geocities.com/bonag_3 FosterTheSnowMan: Being IN downtown Montreal makes me rather close, yes. BobS: dekogel@giganda.komkon.org Pamela: GUY Dale: June 13th is the only Friday in June that Jefffrey has school. BobS: oops that is Marcel's site Daniel B: Did someone get any reply from Marcel deKogel during the last 12 months? Pamela: that figures, dale BobS: gonns head out also people Pamela: goodnight Bob Guy B.: That would work out Pam. June's the least busy period of the month before July reports come in BobS: bedtime and all. see you all next week Daniel B: goodnight eveyone! bonne nuit tout le monde! Pamela: that's what I thought BobS: nite
BobS left chat session Dale: Not me.. I haven;t heard from Marcel in ages. rich-c: parents seem to vary in how important they consider one day of school to be Daniel B: bedtime for me too. il est temps de dormir pour moi aussi. Dale: Is he the one making that ICE game? Pamela: okay, you can go to bed now : ) Guy B.: night Daniel rich-c: bonsoir, Daniel - a la prochaine FosterTheSnowMan: got dishes to do, bleah... luckily for me, I have on order from Sears a BOSCH dishwasher... no more dishes, ever!! Pamela: colour me green, Gui Daniel B: (yes, marcel did the game named i.c.e. for colecovision, but what I know about this game is it's almost complete, not done yet.) Dale: yea! rich-c: famous last words... Dale: good night then Daniel. Sleep well. FosterTheSnowMan: Not that I don't enjoy doing the dishes... it's actually quite relaxing, but I've had enough!!! Daniel B: talk to you next week. on se reparle la semaine prochaine. FosterTheSnowMan: Take care Danny Boy. Pamela: bonsoir Daniel Daniel B: *poof* *pouf* FosterTheSnowMan: french/english poofs?
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Guy B. left chat session FosterTheSnowMan: pouf Pamela: goodnight Guy AdamForSale: Hi anyone interested in an Adam ? rich-c: OK, why is an Adam for sale? FosterTheSnowMan: yeah, how much? Dale: where abouts is it located? AdamForSale: near Quebec city FosterTheSnowMan: We have a member from Quebec city and another from Montreal. AdamForSale: is not far from Montreal rich-c: merde - Daniel just left - you should have come on five minutes earlier Dale: And the member from montreal is in the market for an Adam. AdamForSale: I can send pictures if you want, it is in its original box Dale: GuyF, get his details. rich-c: the real question is, how much of it still works FosterTheSnowMan: How much? FosterTheSnowMan: I can always pick it up for anyone who wants it. AdamForSale: it works very well, I just tried it yesterday, played games etc. The printer works too rich-c: remember it will cost you about $40 to mail it FosterTheSnowMan: Rich: If it's close to Montreal, I can drive there directly and pick it up.. no $40 fee required. FosterTheSnowMan: In which city exactly are you? AdamForSale: we can find an arrangement AdamForSale: I'm in Quebec city rich-c: right now, if your roads are like ours, you might not make it to Montreal ; - ) FosterTheSnowMan: Ah, not very close to Montreal. :) FosterTheSnowMan: Mais, laisse moi un email a: guyfoster@hotmail.com pour mes donner tes coordonees, on a un membre qui vit a Quebec qui serait peut-etre interesse. rich-c: on the other hand, Daniel is in Ste.Foy and would likely allow a dropoff Dale: I'd better go. Goodnight all. FosterTheSnowMan: Yup, Daniel is not too far off from Quebec city, a few kilometers away if I recall. rich-c: night Dale AdamForSale: Ah ok des francophones! Cool. FosterTheSnowMan: g'night Dale! Pamela: goodnight Dale FosterTheSnowMan: Adam: Oui, il y'en a quelques un parmis nous. Pamela: guess I'd better head out too FosterTheSnowMan: Je pense que Rich et Pam sont aussi assez francophone. Pamela: comme ci comme ca AdamForSale: D'accord, FosterTheSnowMan, je dois y aller mais j'ai ton courriel. Je t'envoie les informations/images dčes que possible. Merci! rich-c: non, nous some trea anglo, desole a sire rich-c: dire AdamForSale: Ok bye! FosterTheSnowMan: Merci Adam!!!
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Dale left chat session rich-c: right - hang a minute, Pam, you need to know about Joanna's operation Pamela: Joanna who? rich-c: Rosenheck, your cousin in Quebec City Pamela: who are you talking about? rich-c: Zella's daughter, from BC - I think your first cousin Pamela: um, okay FosterTheSnowMan: g;night all.
FosterTheSnowMan left chat session Pamela: gnite Guy rich-c: if nothing else, you see her letters here every Christmas rich-c: night Guy rich-c: anyway, in Jube she needed a stent for a brain aneurysm Pamela: and . . . rich-c: you will recall you lost your grandfather and cousin Doreen to brain haemmorages Pamela: yes rich-c: there may be something hereditary going on rich-c: I've casually mentioned it (because of the coumadin) to Dr. Santo Pamela: yes rich-c: but a little reinforcement and caution to watch down another genration might be prudent Pamela: so what did dr. Santo say? rich-c: hmmm rich-c: actually that's all he could say Pamela: a man of few words rich-c: possible hereditary genetic defects, especially latent ones, are one of those medical nightmares rich-c: they are pretty well asymptomatic - don't know how Joanne's was spotted Pamela: I thought he already knew about this rich-c: well, we now have more evidence down a generation more, so some emphasis might be in order Pamela: is Joanna your generation or mine? rich-c: just so a bell rings if they ever find a predictive tool rich-c: yours, I believe Pamela: Zella was Grandpa's sister? Pamela: no, niece, right? rich-c: I think so - or was she Annie's daughter? rich-c: yes, you may have it Pamela: so she would be your first cousin and Joanna is my second cousin, I think Pamela: children of first cousins? rich-c: could well be, I'd have to check Pamela: oy Pamela: I can never keep that straight Pamela: Graeme's kids are my first cousins once removed rich-c: anyway it's in close family so its a bit suggestive, one more thing to be aware of Pamela: so my kids if any and his kids would be second cousins? rich-c: you've lost me - that's one of those "ask your mother" questions ; - ) Pamela: that's just what I was going to say Pamela: LOL Pamela: I"m too tired to make sense of it anyway Pamela: hopefully I'll sleep tonite rich-c: sounds like we both need some sack time Pamela: oh yeah Pamela: has been a busy evening rich-c: OK, shall we shut it down? Pamela: I think so. I'll call in the next couple of days, okay? rich-c: OK, night daughter, sleep tight Pamela: Night Daddy -oh, and happy new year! rich-c: same backatcha - now, colour me gone Pamela: kerpoof
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