BobS: hI dANIEL Daniel Bienvenu: hi Bob BobS: YO BobS: FINALLY got on BobS: been out of commmission allnight
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changed username to Judy Judy: Hi, Daniel Daniel Bienvenu: hi Judy Judy: wasn't easy to get on tonight Judy: so did we BobS: oh well........hope some others come online......jsut emailed the ADAM list BobS: SO,how are you Daniel? BobS: and how is work going?
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changed username to Dale Daniel Bienvenu: I'm fine. I realized today that the next 3 months will be pain in the ass at work. BobS: we sneaked home inthe middle of all the snow storms on Monday Dale: Hi Judy: hi, Dale BobS: Hi Dale Dale: Sorry to keep everyone out of the chat. BobS: ya mon could not get in Judy: what was the problem? Daniel Bienvenu: I don't understand why dr.d is also down. Dale: I now have a cron job that should restart it automatically within 4 minutes if it goes down again. BobS: that would be helpful maybe Dale: My new server was reset this morning I guess, and I didn't know. Dale: The chat server wasn't set to auto restart. BobS: don't think that Dr D's secondary has been operational for quite a while Daniel BobS: I think that the server he was using ata school died or was reprogrammed Dale: Well, maybe I should just take this time to fix the mailing list properly. Daniel Bienvenu: having a a plan B, like a 2nd chat server, is a good thing. BobS: Dale, I thought that with the new ISP you had that the logging etc wasa not possible BobS: as well as the adam mailing list Dale: I pay a lot of extra money to have the chat server, logging, and allow for the mailing list. BobS: oh Dale: But I have to do the work if I want a mailing list instead of a web forum. BobS: and it won't work??? Dale: It just takes time to set up, which I haven't invested. BobS: are youlogging the chats now? Dale: The web forum for posts I could have had up in 20 min or less. BobS: got an email from David Hill wonderig how come he couldn't fid any logs lately Dale: But Rich Drushel said no.
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changed username to Dr. D. BobS: ok Dale: I will make it update them tomorrow. Dr. D.: Hi all, now the server is working. Dale: Sorry Dr D. BobS: ya mon we here Judy: Hi, Dr D Dr. D.: I was getting "Cannot connect to server" errors. Dr. D.: Has Richard been on tonight? Dale: I didn't notice until 9:45 when Jeffrey was asleep. Judy: we did too BobS: question Rich........your secondary site is down and out for the count is it not? BobS: nobody has been here but us, just came onlie Dr. D.: It is for the time being...I got the machine de-virused, but... Judy: time? Dr. D.: it is NT 4.0 and probably would get hacked again, so I have kept it down.
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changed username to Ron Dr. D.: Hi Ron. Dale: Hi Ron. Ron: Gee Judy: Hi, Ron Dr. D.: I asked about Richard because his surgery is tomorrow. Ron: had trouble getting in here before Dr. D.: And I wanted to say good luck. Dale: I set it now to recover after 4 minutes. Dale: I had not put that in place before. Dr. D.: Rin says hi. Ron: anyway.... hello all Dale: Chat server was down :-( Daniel Bienvenu: GuyF was online with me... on messenger... trying at every 10 minutes to connect. I also tried the web site stickam Ron: ah... Judy: Say Hi back Dale: Since 10am. Dale: And it's been quite reliable since mid December. Ron: Murphy Dr. D.: Rin says "Hi to Judy, hi to everybody!" Ron: Hi Rin Daniel Bienvenu: Daniel says "Hi Rin" Dr. D.: "Hi Daniel" Dr. D.: Rin is yawning... Dr. D.: But I am still awake :-) Ron: is it the company or the hour? Dr. D.: BTW I will be going to Toronto after work tomorrow. BobS: long weekend??? Dr. D.: Hoping the snow will stay away. So far this winter, Thursdays have been good travel days. Dr. D.: Yes Bob. Daniel Bienvenu: saturday, I will go to Montreal, a meeting of video game collectors. Dr. D.: I have made it there every 2 weeks since early January. Dr. D.: Sounds interesting Daniel. Ron: Have a real tale of woe to tell BobS: got to hit the window of opportunity Rich Judy: we missed the bad weather traveling Dr. D.: Uh oh Ron. Ron: dumped a 1/2 full water bottle on my Mac Book week ago last Sunday BobS: we hit it coming up from the south on Monday......weather yucky before and after Monday Ron: it's dead BobS: OUCH Ron: shop tells me that the motherboard showed evidence of burning in 4 places BobS: you have GOT to be more careful Judy: water is not good for computers Ron Ron: so I've discovered Ron: keep telling everyone else not to eat and drink around a computer Ron: Take my advice, I'm not using it Dr. D.: oh dear Dr. D.: Elanor killed my 286 laptop back in the day...spilled a glass of milk on the keyboard. Judy: not cool Dr. D.: However, it had an external keyboard jack, so with ext. kybd., it worked again. Ron: my Mac guy tells me I'm not alone BobS: ron is it under warranty?????? Ron: no, unfortunately not BobS: bummer Dr. D.: This is the one that when the screen finally died, I used the external EGA port...and put the guts into a box I built, described in a TWWMCA article. Ron: didn't buy the extra Applecare package this time Daniel Bienvenu: 286 laptop? Dr. D.: Yes, long ago Daniel :-) Dr. D.: See the TWWMCA archive, can't remember the exact date but I bet 1996 or 1997. Ron: and my home insurance might have covered one "act of stupidity" Ron: but I said no to the comprehensive coverage Daniel Bienvenu: my friend got a 386 laptop but the battery is dead, he had to use it like a normal desktop pc BobS: geez Ron Ron: so I have the comprehensive now Dr. D.: It's the Intel Inside that is the jinx, Ron. Dr. D.: Gotta stick with that Motorola or Zilog stuff. Ron: could well be Daniel Bienvenu: well, maybe you still have an Osborne portable computer. Judy: if not for bad luck you would have no luck at all Ron: gave that up some years ago Daniel Dr. D.: I want to make an ADAM portable, just want to be able to buy an NTSC LCD screen for less than $500 to use as a basis. BobS: other tahn that problem ron, how are things on theisland? Dr. D.: Otherwise, I could do it very easily...have built it in my head a few times. Ron: oh well... life goes on...... but I tell ya the language around here when it happened wasn't too gentlemanly Daniel Bienvenu: dr.d, if you need bunch of coleco adam motherboards, I have tons of them Ron: very good sir. My daffodils have sprung forth BobS: I can just guess wht was said.....and it ain't NICE Ron: exactly Judy: no fair, all we have is snow and more snow Ron: I know. I don't talk too much about flowers to people east of me Judy: I did see daffodils last week but not around here BobS: BUt, we are on record for most snowfall i Dec, Jan & Feb.......and headed towards the top of the lsit for all time snowfall for the winter season Daniel Bienvenu: here, it's snow ... storm ... visibility = I can't see the road Ron: Was down in Vancouver over the weekend (from last Wed on) at an Internet convention. Stayed with the kids Dr. D.: No flowers here, only 6" of great snowball snow. BobS: and more coming your way Rich Judy: we have a crusty kind, not good for anything Ron: We're not exactly springlike here yet..... too cold....but then that's a relative term Ron: So on a technical matter Dale: Dr D, how big of an NTSC LCD screen do you need. Judy: we are supposed to get more tomorrow night Dale: The 7" DVD players might do the trick Daniel Bienvenu: Dr.D... nintendo ds is 2 256x192 LCD displays Dale: And they are about $200 if I recall. Ron: I have here in front of me an IDE to Compact Flash card converter Ron: tried it in my HD case but seem to have troubles getting ADAM to see it Dr. D.: Well, something about 6" diagonal screen at least would be nice. Dale: We didn't get the most recent promised snow fall. It's just cold here. Dr. D.: Last time I priced them (some years ago, I must admit) those were expensive. Dr. D.: The cheap 2" ones are too small to see an ADAM screen on. Dr. D.: And I didn't have the free $$$ to justify it as a project. Daniel Bienvenu: a coleco in a chip plus a very bright ninentedo ds lcd equal something I want to buy. Ron: Spent the weekend becoming acquainted with the Wii BobS: should see it the same as a real IDE hard drive Ron Ron: Jeff and Francesca bought one Dale: This is the kind of thing I was thinking of: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7742598&st=handheld+DVD+player&type=product&id=1140393958100 Dale: I'm not sure if it accepts external inputs though. BobS: Doug has used it and I have one onboard an ADAM and it works great Ron: Ok, so Bob, do you have to format the card, and if so how is that done? BobS: I think it has to go thru the same ritual as the IDE hard drive would...to initalize it..... Ron: and is there any recommended size of Compact Flash card? BobS: email Doug and ask.......firstname.lastname@example.org Ron: Yeah, that's what I tried. All it did was crash the ADAM Dale: It says it does accept composite video in. From two sources no less. BobS: IF I can remember, I will ask him this weekend Ron: will do Ron: through all of that, I did manage to format an old 10GB IDE hard drive that I had lying around, and it works fine with the ADAM Dale: It shows the inputs on alternate view 1. Dr. D.: I'll look at it. Dale: But NTSC ends in 12 months. So HD will be the only game in a year. BobS: I don't think so...........all you really need is one 64 megs in size Dale: it is 8" screen for $159 (on sale). Ron: Anyway, the Nintendo Wii is a blast. Dr. D.: I am sure NTSC will be around for awhile yet, even if the broadcasting on it goes away, too much legacy equipment still. Dr. D.: But for now, gotta go, early day tomorrow, and have to start packing for the trip. Dr. D.: If Richard shows up, tell him hi. Ron: niters Dr. D. Be well Dr. D.: Bye all. Dr. D.: <poof>
Dr. D. left chat session BobS: be safe Rich.........anb Judy: night Dr D BobS: GONER in sixty seconds or less Ron: how was the trip Bob/Judy? Judy: it was great hated to come back to the snow and cold Ron: I guess so eh? BobS: GREAT Judy: was unbelievable to see the destruction left after 2 and 1/2 years BobS: but had to return.....NEED retirement BobS: yo know the deal Ron Judy: we have some great pictures of what is left behind Ron: yeah, heard about that. Ron: retirement is cool Judy: some day we will be there Ron: ya never know Daniel Bienvenu: well, it's almost 22:45, and I'm a bit tired... so, goodnight everyone! Judy: night Daniel Ron: night Daniel Daniel Bienvenu: and please, put me in the list when you want to start making and selling portable coleco systems. BobS: nite Daniel Ron: I'll buy one, but please, please make it waterproof eh? BobS: right Ron: or mitchell-proof, or something BobS: waterproof Daniel Bienvenu: water resistant is not enough? BobS: any idea what it will cost to bring the laptop back to life????? Ron: no way....has to be proof BobS: like is it toatally dead, or jsut he keybaird BobS: or the processor? Daniel Bienvenu: * p o o f * Dale: Bye daniel.
Daniel Bienvenu left chat session Ron: basically Bob, today I asked my dealer to order me one of the newer Mac Books. He's giving me a trade in allowance on the old one for parts BobS: just so's I know IF I would dump somthing on mine BobS: ok Ron: no the motherboard was fried in 4 places BobS: maybe is better to NOT know BobS: yuck Ron: so it's dead Ron: yeah...YUCK!! BobS: no kidding, D.E.A.D. Ron: yup Ron: so the new one has twice the memory and 3 times the hard drive space BobS: well,,,,,,,,you know what happens when the smoke gets OUT Ron: and lists for $100. less Ron: right...... One should not let the smoke out Judy: so keep the water away from this one Ron: yes most certainly Judy, that would be a fine idea Ron: I will make it so BobS: IF the water gets close, then slam it shut and put it into a plastic ziplock bag AUICKLY
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changed username to rich-c rich-c: when did this start? Ron: by the time I got back it was too late Ron: Hi Rich Ron: what? rich-c: hi R BobS: RICHARD greetings!!!!!! Judy: hi, Rich rich-c: on how goes it? and hello all BobS: beenn online about 35 40inutes BobS: Rich says HI and good luck tomorrow Judy: we are fine, how are you? BobS: surgery tomorrow????? rich-c: looking forwrd to tomorrow - I've had this hernia too long Ron: BRB Dale: Hi Rich. BobS: good, then you will be happy!!!! rich-c: yes, they are doing it at 1 p.m. - want me there at 11 rich-c: they are doing it as day surgery - in by 11, out by 5 or such Judy: then you just have to take it easy for a while Ron: good luck Rich rich-c: Ron, how are you doing at finding that 64 mb memory card? rich-c: yes, no heavy lifting for a while, but that's the current state, so... Ron: haven't got one yet Rich. Was trying it with a 16 Meg but unable to get the thing initialized Judy: then nothing new rich-c: I was looking in the shops here and the smallest card on offer is 512 mb Ron: The 64 MB cards are on ebay...guess I'll have to order one BobS: email Doug, he'll know Ron: yea will do that Bob rich-c: where did you get teh interface and information, Ron? Ron: a small shop in Sioux Lookout. they were on the net rich-c: could you send me the url, Ron? rich-c: I might want to play around some myself Ron: yes, will do rich-c: and btw, aren't there special rules about formatting Adam hard discs? rich-c: seem torecall at least half had to be TDOS or something, and formatting was needed Ron: well that was what I was wondering - couldn't get the HD format program to recognize the Compact Flash card Judy: it is that time again so night all rich-c: night Bob and Judy, see you next week Ron: so then I plugged in an old 10 MB hard drive I had written off for dead, and the format program saw it and set it up just fine BobS: think tht you can make max of 10 EOS drives (10 meg) and the rest goes into 4 TDOS partitions Ron: Nite Judy. See ya's next week Dale: the rule is that TDOS partitions can be at most 8 mb each
Judy left chat session Dale: and there are always 4 TDOS paritions. Ron: yes Bob, that's it. BobS: so you need at least a 40 meg hd BobS: thought we could do it with 20 meg hd's though Ron: so basically I'm using about 60 meg of a 10GB drive, but so.. rich-c: what are teh rules on EOS partitions? no minimum, max size 8 mb, max 4? Dale: I think the smallest partitions for TDOS harddisk I've set up were 1 MB each Dale: So 4 MB for TDOS and the other 6 MB for EOS. BobS: wont' work with anything much above a 1 gig IDE drive becasue the drive is too fast for ADAM interfacing BobS: the is what we ran into Dale: The other thing is that the code is written to address at most 64 MB of the space in total. Dale: Though you could swap out some TDOS drives to use space up to 80 MB. BobS: yes, using MOUNT.COM rich-c: would it be possible to partition a larger physical drive into logical drives not over 64 mb each? Ron: I've got 10 EOS partitions of 2 Meg each, and 4 TDOS partitions of 8meg each Dale: It is only supported up to 80 MB as I understand it. Dale: And the eos partition has to be in the first 64 MB. Ron: so that's 20 plus 32 is 52 meg. There should be another 12 Meg somewhere BobS: gonna hit the sack here guys, so carry on without me........ BobS: see ya's next week rich-c: night Bob
BobS left chat session Ron: night Bob rich-c: I think my HD is 80 meg, with only 64 mb actually addressable rich-c: but it seems to have wandered off somewhere and I can't find it right now rich-c: can't move heavy stuff around to look for it, among other thungs Ron: yeah....it kinda surprised me that the 10 GB drive actually worked rich-c: btw Dale, what ws with the server tonight? Pam will be asking me tomorrow Dale: It was reset this morning Dale: I didn't have my cron job set to restart it automatically. Dale: It is now set to restart within 4 minutes of a reset. Dale: So it should be self repairing now. rich-c: so it turned off and didn't get turned back on, is that it? Ron: by the way, I take it there's no secondary chat site any more right? Dale: When the server was reset, SpanielChat's server wasn't restarted automatically. Dale: The web server was. Dale: Hopefully it will be self-repairing now though. rich-c: no, Rich got upset over spam or something and took it down - I do not understand his explanation Ron: ok Dale: I have to run the chat log updater though, since that wasn't set to be automatic either. Dale: That's a task for tomorrow I guess. Ron: always something Dale rich-c: no and there's nothing on it after Nov. 28th - Frances is MST unhappy Dale: The secondary one is on NT 4, and Rich said that it is not very hack proof. rich-c: MOST Dale: The logs are all saved, but just not posted. Dale: I will try and update all of the logs tomorrow. Dale: I can't do it during the chat :-( Ron: right rich-c: that will be appreciated, Dale - Frances isn't much for talking but she does a lot of lurking Dale: Sure. Others do too. Ron: well gents, think I'll be away. Good luck tomorrow Rich rich-c: thank you, Ron, and I'll look forward to that url Ron: yes, I'll go look for that right now rich-c: Dale, what would be the issues using the E rich-c: mulator within a Virtual Macine? Dale: This mailing list software is very evasive. Dale: My ISP hasn't made it available by default. Dale: And it is just avoiding me. Dale: I'll conquer it though./ rich-c: Pam is very anxious to get teh mailing list back up, for Adamcon Dale: You aren't running it fast enough Rich? Otherwise it'll be fine. rich-c: she was just waiting for the signed contracts to be faxed to her, I believe rich-c: no, I'm going to have to rebuild my machine and some of my IT buddies are telling me to put in a Virtual Machine
Ron left chat session Dale: Well, I have an easy way to make it on another domain name. Just on adamcon.org that it is such an issue; rich-c: it occurs to me that the Emulator being one itself might either work well or not at all Dale: It'll probably be fine, I expect. Dale: Daniel found that sometimes he needs to run it in dosbox though, rich-c: OK, that's a bridge that's a fair way down the pike, but I may choose to cross it Dale: dosbox is a MSDOS emulator for Visa and XP when they aren't close enough to dos. Dale: Vista I mean. rich-c: I have no intention of going anywhere near Vista = everything I'm hearing is negtive Dale: it's pretty. Dale: There you've heard something positive. :-D rich-c: so I've herd, especially if you've got two extra gigs of memory to burn Dale: It requires more memory. Why not, I guess is the philosophy. rich-c: even at that there's a skin out for X rich-c: P that gives it a Vista look Dale: I went from 256 MB of ram being plenty on Win2k to 1.5GB on XP. Dale: I have half of that memory used just after logging in to my account. rich-c: Microsoft seems to have forgotten there are people out there better served by a $100 laptop rich-c: I have 512 MB on the laptop and 768 MB on the desktop, running XP rich-c: both are upgrades, done back when memory cost serious money rich-c: since I am not into serios graphics or anything, they seem adequate rich-c: test Dale: test rich-c: ah, you're bavck Dale: I now managed to get the mailing list base install correctr. rich-c: did you fall off? Dale: Next layer is to try to move over the lists themselves. Dale: I didn't fall off. I just didn't have anything to say. rich-c: oh, OK. Doesn't matter - I've got to prep a bit for tomorrow Dale: I use lots of 3D modelling software, so tend to spend a lot on my graphics card. rich-c: I really do nothing but surfing and email, pllus editing my photos lightly rich-c: I'm still back into the photo mindset, rather than digital imaging Dale: right. Dale: Anything else takes a lot of time to do. Dale: And life is short :-D rich-c: gradually I am catching up to the modern age rich-c: but I not certain Itruly like it there anyway 8-) rich-c: anyhow when you get the mailing list set up, do let the gang know Dale: I'm sure I will rich-c: but I think we better close down now - see you next week Dale: see you then. rich-c: OK - nite, and take care
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