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changed username to BobS rich-c: hello Robert BobS: hi Richard BobS: yust ya'll and me'all, eh? rich-c: a little late, but quite little rich-c: well, the others will probably drift in later BobS: not much.....just 5 minutes BobS: how you and Frances doing these days? rich-c: yes, most of our folks are not too punctual BobS: had our first big frost this morning, should of killed all the germs and the flowers rich-c: basically hanging in there, Bob - age starting to show BobS: ANd a forecster of winter to come
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changed username to Daniel Bienvenu BobS: and rest a lot BobS: hi Daniel BobS: rested up this week? rich-c: we had frost overnight, too but damage was surprisingly limited - even teh nasturtiums and tomatoes have undamaged foliage left
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changed username to Dale Daniel Bienvenu: outside here, it's cold like a fridge. Dale: Hi there BobS: hmmm.........some at church tonight said the same thing, apparently not a killign frost in all areas or backyards Dale: Last week, updated the chat archive, then logged onto the chat and fell asleep rich-c: ah, here's Dale now - how were the suburbs for frost, Dale? BobS: hi Dale Dale: I woke up at 11:10, just after everyone left! BobS: bummer Dale Daniel Bienvenu: You need more sleep, Dale. Dale: Well I believe it was 0 this morning, but it warmed up quickly once the sun rose. rich-c: we have more frost predicted next two nights Dale: So I think we had a minifrost, but the ground is still warm enough that many of my plants are still okay. BobS: had below 0 c here this morning Daniel Bienvenu: But Dale, Harvey asked me if we split the pcbs in two that need an extra for the shiping, or one of them take them all and we manage them. BobS: we are supposed to stay above freezing except for one night this weekend rich-c: guess most of us the same then, a patchy but not killing frost rich-c: still enough heat in the earth, I guess Dale: Yeah, Daniel, I wondered that too. Daniel Bienvenu: I mean, one of us take all pcbs, or we pay extra to have each one half of the pcbs. Dale: I think if we don't need them urgently we can split them sometime this year maybe. Daniel Bienvenu: Because you have projects incoming, and you will have new casings too, you should take them all. Dale: I'm still hoping to recruit you in May for the TOJam weekend of game programming.
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changed username to adam Dale: And then if you need them, I'm happy to send them your way. rich-c: ah, a new visitor - welcome adam: thank u Dale: Jeffrey was all "I want to play in the snow" yesterday. :-D rich-c: believe you have been on here before a while ago, haven't you? Dale: Hi Adam. rich-c: yes, kids love snow, bless 'em Daniel Bienvenu: For the pcbs, I will answer Harvey that you take them all. And about TOJam, I don't say no, but I can't say yes... ask me again next year. Dale: It depends on where you're working then, of course. rich-c: well, put it on your calendar, Daniel - in pencil Dale: It's hard to do that Richard. Last year they announced the date for it in late February. rich-c: yes, if teh date isn't set it's hard to mark it in ;-) Dale: I've also been invited to the Penny Arcade Expo (pax) Dale: They are trying one in Boston in March. Dale: The others have all been in Seatle Washington. rich-c: well, Boston you can even drive to, and isn't Porter flying there now? rich-c: not that the option of the Island Airport would mean much to you Dale: They are for sure flying to New York and Chicago at least. Dale: I'm not sure about Boston. rich-c: think they announced plans very near fruition rich-c: is Pearson or Island actually handier for you, Dale? Dale: Since I have the 407 transponder, it is almost a straight line to the airport from here. It is at least less stressful than going to Cherry Street. rich-c: and Daniel, how tight and annoying is security at Hamilton? Dale: So Adam are you a long time user? rich-c: actually, Dale it's Bathurst St. and even worse, un;ess you can get a time the DVP and Gardiner are uncongested Dale: I don't think I know how you got started with the Coleco Adam. Daniel Bienvenu: er... Hamilton? Dale: I guess I got one for Christmas in 1985. That was my start. rich-c: yes - the airport for Adamcon this year Dale: I might try it for a day trip but I think I'd rather be at the old familiar airport for a multiday trip. rich-c: or were you and Ron too sleepy to notice when you left? ;-) Dale: You flew Quebec City to Hamilton. Daniel Bienvenu: Well, it was fine at Hamilton, I did a practice at Quebec for the security. rich-c: since you weere just changing planes, I gues you did not have to go through security in Montreal Daniel Bienvenu: Of course, I was not beard and I didn't bring any dangerous fruit juice with me. Dale: Gotta hate that dangerous fruit juice. rich-c: I've heard at the big airports that doesn't matter, they play security theatre regardless Daniel Bienvenu: In Montreal, I was just going from one plane to another, but I get lost when I was traveling back to Quebec... I had to run to get the next plane because I wasn't at the right place. rich-c: in Montreal, you first have to make sure you're at the right airport rich-c: though I gather Mirabel is all freight now Daniel Bienvenu: Well, at Quebec security, they ask if you bring bottles of water, juice, even shaving cream and gel. I wanted to reply "go find yours at the shoping mall" but I knew it was not the good answer. rich-c: I understand the temptation very well, Daniel rich-c: even at that, I'll bet Montreal is considerably worse Daniel Bienvenu: huge Daniel Bienvenu: huge difference rich-c: yes, Montreal has much more international traffic so they feel the need for a bigger show Daniel Bienvenu: and I had a difficult time figuring out if the person who serve me a sandwich was a male or a female. rich-c: on the aircraft? Daniel Bienvenu: no, at the airport Daniel Bienvenu: between the two flights Daniel Bienvenu: on the way back tho Quebec rich-c: yesw, I guess at food counter wages, you don't get to do much choosing of your staff Daniel Bienvenu: I only find out when she did go to the toilet. I was sure they had toilets for the personal. rich-c: the current teenage/twenty generation seems to have an androgynous syle sense at the moment rich-c: wonder where our regulars are tonight? no Guys, no Pam yet, no Meeka or Judy or Rich or Erin... Daniel Bienvenu: I think Pam and Erin are on Facebook Daniel Bienvenu: I saw messages from them there just before I log in tonight rich-c: right - they both spend a lot of time there - might even be with Guy F. Daniel Bienvenu: well, guy is looking for a minivan... it's what he wrote a few minutes ago. rich-c: I have no problem at all containing any urge to open a Facebook account Dale: My next trip to the US is to San Francisco area. Apparently I should have got one of those prepaid rooms last month. Dale: This drop in Canadian currency is a real killer. Dale: The room rate I though I had just two weeks ago, suddenly looks 20% more expensive. rich-c: yes, if you're travelling right now, it sure is - that's why we've has a U.S. bank account and charge card for years Daniel Bienvenu: The only good thing about this drop is for exportation and saling to USA. Dale: I wonder what will happen between now and when I leave in November. Daniel Bienvenu: selling to US Daniel Bienvenu: It's time to make games and sell them. Dale: You're right about that Daniel. rich-c: anybody's guess, Dale - fundamentally our dollar ought to be way above the US dollar, not below it Dale: I have to pick an iPhone game and release it. Dale: But the US dollar is generally going up as oil prices go down. rich-c: yes, sell while the bucks are at their best Dale: A strange market indeed. Daniel Bienvenu: iPhone is considered as a pda or it's more than a pda? Dale: It's an iPod Touch that also does phone calls. rich-c: you two should both get yourselves US dollar bank accounts - they're good for paying suppliers, Daniel
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changed username to Pamela Dale: It has both wifi and celular network access to the internet. rich-c: hi daughter, finished with Facebook now? Daniel Bienvenu: What about Java applications? Many pda uses Java applications. Pamela: hello, wasn't on Facebook Dale: Well, on paypal, we can choose to leave the account balance in US dollars. BobS: HI Pam rich-c: oh, Daniel thought he saw you there Pamela: Hi Bob Dale: Somehow people pay me in Euros and then I buy things in USD. Pamela: was on earlier but not for the last hour or so Dale: I'm not sure why that is but the last few times it has worked out that way. rich-c: no you can't, Dale, that's why I won't deal with them - they have refused me a couple of times Dale: They never end up as CAD. Pamela: do you get the better end of the deal, Dale? Daniel Bienvenu: I did try the 2 lotery games on Facebook you did play today, Pam. Dale: Well by leaving the money in paypal, I only have to pay for one currency exchange from Euro -> USD, so that works out in my favour. Pamela: I don't play lottery games, Daniel - you're thinking of Jillian I think rich-c: I tried it with PayPal when I found out that they diddled me on exchange both sides of a transaction Dale: So if you want the money in your bank account or to come from your bank account, I'm not sure Richard Daniel Bienvenu: Yes, it was Jillian... hehe sorry Dale: But if people pay you then you spend money from that money, instead of transfering it out to your regular bank, it all works out. rich-c: I'd be happy to have PayPal hold the account in USD and never do any exchange, but they won't Dale: Jillian has spent lots of time analysing the various Facebook lottery games to optimize the expected winning (minimize the expected losses) Dale: That's not my experience Richard. I'm not sure why your experience differs. Daniel Bienvenu: Since I have one paypal account, I had part of canadian and us money in it... they did do a currency exchange in real time when I did the paiement for the pcbs. Dale: For sure Daniel. Daniel Bienvenu: I still have a few bucks left in pyapl but not that much. rich-c: if I get any receipts in US dollars they immediately convert them to Canadian, and they convert any payments Daniel Bienvenu: I still have us dollars in my paypal, rich Dale: You must have a different kind of account then. Dale: I have a reseller account I think. rich-c: either that or they have smartened up - I am not the only one who will not deal with them, by a long chalk Dale: I'm sure, but it is so convenient, and I've been pretty happy so far. rich-c: btw daughter that reminds me - I have another Chapters credit for you Pamela: oh good, thanks Dad Dale: I think that they introduced currencies other than USD 3 or more years ago. Daniel Bienvenu: Because most of the people who bought my games also bought games from eBay and have paypal accounts, I had to deal with this reality. rich-c: better come fetch it before I lose it! 8-) Dale: At that point you could hold balances in several different currencies at once. Pamela: it will come in handy with Russell's birthday and Christmas coming up rich-c: t'aint much, but every little bit helps Pamela: put it in your basket by the door, that'll help rich-c: that's a thoought, though stuff can get a bit dog-eared there Daniel Bienvenu: ho Dale, did you contact Joe Santulli about minigames cartridges? Pamela: doesn't matter how dogeared it is as long as I can read the code : ) Dale: It is still on my todo, but I'm afraid I haven't quite yet. Dale: I'll try and send him a quick email in the morning. rich-c: you could even earn extras for yourself if you wanted to Dale: I was feeling kind of sick on the weekend and didn't get much done. Dale: I only have one left, so however many he wants, I'll have to make. Pamela: how did you get it? rich-c: you do surveys for a survey outfit - it's an occasional sweetener they throw in for big ones Pamela: hmmm, don't know if I want to get into that rich-c: no, it can be time consuming and often futile Dale: I'm going to drop off early. rich-c: so you don't fall asleep over the keyboard again, Dale? ;-) Dale: I almost went to expo plas (the plastics expo) in Montreal last week, but I decided against it in the end. Dale: Exactly. rich-c: I'd think you have more than enough on your plate as is, Dale Daniel Bienvenu: I'm also tired, but I will leave earlier not because I'm tired, but because I need to find out how to program a video game in Java for a pda, by using sun Java special kit for pda applications. Dale: Well, good night. I expect I'll be on again next week. rich-c: we'll look for you, Dale Dale: I've done that a bit Daniel. Pamela: good night Dale Dale: For the Blackberry. BobS: nite Dale Dale: There is a specific set of Java libraries just for cell phones. Dale: It's alright to do. Daniel Bienvenu: Bonne nuit Dale, sleep well and we will talk another day about pda games. Daniel Bienvenu: bye Dale: Good night Adam. rich-c: yes, you seem to have your hands pretty full too, Daniel
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adam left chat session rich-c: are you sure you can affordc to take another job if one comes along? Pamela: : ) Daniel Bienvenu: it's for a future job I'm doing that. I need experience in pda applications in java. rich-c: that will be your new direction, then? it does seem a growing market Pamela: Daniel, where did you go? BobS: says he is still here rich-c: yes, he seems to have vanished on us - along with Bob Pamela: in theory : )
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changed username to Guy B. Guy B.: Greetings!!! Daniel Bienvenu: They are always irregular... the nights are shorter each day. Pamela: hello Guy : ) rich-c: you are late, Guy - we've lost hal;f the crowd! Judy: Hi, Guy Daniel Bienvenu: Hi GuyB BobS: allo GuyB rich-c: we're very regular - bed at 1 a.m., up 8 hours later Guy B.: I had things to do Rich and it took some time rich-c: fiddling with your computers again? Judy: Bob had to fix mine tonight it wouldn't do anything Guy B.: No, some cleaning, dinner and taking care of the dog rich-c: what is the status of your computers now, Guy: I know you have been changing things Pamela: speak to it firmly, Judy rich-c: you have to know the language, Pam Judy: that did not work, it just gave me the black screen of death rich-c: no error messages, no nothing? rich-c: black screen, not blue screen? Judy: no, the memory lost its mind Guy B.: Be right back, got some e-mails to read Pamela: just how much translation does "expletive deleted" need? : ) Judy: he put in a new memory card and it works again rich-c: I've never heard of that before - which only proves my computers haven't got around to it, yet Judy: that is about it, Rich BobS: Toshiba's dont' seem to like different brands of memory BobS: Doug was saying that just the other day rich-c: what computer are you using, Judy? Judy: my laptop which is a Toshiba BobS: tecra 8200 rich-c: don't like differeng brands in various slots, or picky about all brands? BobS: P3 850mhz Pamela: I'll bear that in mind Bob BobS: seems some toshiba's like any kind of memory, others only kingston, others only silicon valley rich-c: sounds like a candidate for retirement, Bob - is it still on Win98? BobS: been running for over a year and all of a sudden it doesnopt like it Pamela: brb rich-c: that sounds a bit suspicious, maybe some other factor at work? BobS: who knows Daniel Bienvenu: time for me to say "goodnight" BobS: doug swears by toshiba...........maybe toshiba should be sweared AT Judy: night Daniel rich-c: eh bien, Daniel, bonsoir,dormez bien! Daniel Bienvenu: merci, vous aussi. rich-c: oh, Toshiba has a good name, but among computers that's a very qualified remark BobS: both our laptops right now have one bad memory slot BobS: and Judy's has a very no working (97% of time) dvd rich-c: that is unusual - I've never had that problem, except maybe on an Adam rich-c: maybe she isn't using it enough Pamela: goodnight Daniel rich-c: in fact, I'm surprised that old a machine has a DVD, even if just read only Pamela: I would buy another Toshiba BobS: had a cd but doug upgraded to dvd and it doesn' Judy: that is the only computer Doug will buy rich-c: yes, but you have no spirit of adventure in how you use yours BobS: t work any better tahn the cd rich-c: you can't say that about Bob BobS: ya, I am on the WILD side alright Pamela: I can't afford to have a spirit of adventure Judy: Doug is the last resort for fixing and he tells us what ones to buy Pamela: if it breaks, i can't afford to buy another rich-c: well, let's say willing to give things a try BobS: but he is ALWAYS fixing something..........maybe what he likes is not the most stable, but the easiest to fix......... I wonder Judy: Doug is busy putting computers together, he finished up one class and has a week off before his next one starts rich-c: Computers are in truth hideously complicated devices - and don't even mention Windows rich-c: often even Microsoft can't get Windows to work rich-c: maybe it's getting to the point where a little gentle cleaning would help BobS: doug has been playing around with Safari instaead of using windows.......seems faster Judy: Meeka said today that putting together computers is his lego's of the past, just transferred from one thing to the other Pamela: not illogical : ) BobS: I downloaded it and installed it, but haven't used it much yet..........a bit different thatn I.E. Pamela: something along the lines of "boys and their toys" rich-c: yes, but Safari is just a browser - I tried it but was not impressed Judy: he used to make things with lego's now he does computers Judy: that is about it, Pam rich-c: but then I am not impressed with IE either - have you tried IE7Pro? BobS: have not BobS: but Safari is faster BobS: didn't like the address bar dealy rich-c: might or might not add capabilities you like to IE - I have it on one of my computers rich-c: did you know the beta of IE8 is online ready for download? BobS: good lord !!!!! BobS: heck I astill using ie 6.0 rich-c: why? won't IE7 run on your machine? BobS: as you mayknow, I am only pushed into upgrading IF I need it for some reason, otherwise, if what I have works, don't fix it BobS: haven't any idea if it will, but probably BobS: what's ie7 got that i need? rich-c: not sure if IE7 rquires XP or not - I think it will run on 98 BobS: got xp BobS: don't work any better than 98 rich-c: I am no authority on IE, I use Firefox all but exclusively - much more satisfying BobS: got taht also rich-c: now that I have it sorted (after a year) I am finding XP a bit more stable than 98 - but it was a battle BobS: but am a creature of habit, am still making a foray into the world of Firefox rich-c: yes, you'll have FF2, and FF3 is already out, too rich-c: I did find the change from IE6 to Firefox eminently worthwhile rich-c: it's rather funny to watch discussion on the subject on carnuts rich-c: the IE users consider the Firefox crowd a bunch of impetuous children rich-c: and the Firefoxers thing the IE crowd are a bunch of old fogeys BobS: old or young, i don't care....... BobS: just as long as it works for me Pamela: i'm with you Bob rich-c: that's the bottom line - and if it ain't bust, don't fix it BobS: heck, if the ADAM could get on the net, and achieve some speed, I would use it rich-c: I'd second that emotion; I'm rather sorry Frances won't put her Amiga on the net - she even has the software BobS: well, tha facts are.......you need something fairly fast and software current to talk to the rest of the world to access the net Judy: yes, it would be nice to talk to Frances on a weekly basis rich-c: oh, she's on the net on the laptop right now, giggling away at something or other rich-c: she just doesn't join in conversations here, though she reads the transcripts BobS: we are just to somber for Frances Judy: well, we are sad!! rich-c: oh, I don't know - one of her favoured site is schneier.com, which discusses security issues Pamela: we're certainly quiet : ) rich-c: she recently has signed up on carnuts, but only to make her luring easier, she doesn't post BobS: just don't get caught rich-c: oh, every Friday is Squid Day on schneier - he has a thing about squid (don't ask) rich-c: but she is all over the net, far more far-ranging than I am Judy: ask her to stop in and say hi off and on rich-c: I do but she doesn't - Pam can't get her to come in either rich-c: not that she isn't interested, just doesnt want to participate Pamela: brb Judy: then we will just have to talk to her thru you, pass along a HI rich-c: oh I will, I more or less do that ev ery night rich-c: in fact she often comes in and looks over my shoulder to see who's on Judy: that's good Pamela: heck Judy I have trouble getting her to come to the phone sometimes : ) Pamela: seems to me Dad that's how I got pulled in - looking over your shoulder rich-c: yes, I do believe you're right, Pam - and you saw how easy it is BobS: isa NO PROLLEM to be here Pamela: I'm such a social creature though Judy: you just had to get in on the fun rich-c: Frances belongs to a number of bulletin boards, which are sort of slower chats in many ways Pamela: I got to the point where I wanted to speak for myself fairly quickly rich-c: right - your mother is just the opposite rich-c: sort of like the hip group - more than willing to meet them for lunch rich-c: but they do it by postings or one on one phone calls, not group chats Pamela: yes Judy, and I got to know people so well here that when it came to the first convention and actually meeting people face to face Pamela: I felt I already knew y'all Judy: it does work that way doesn't it rich-c: and for all practical purposes, you did rich-c: same way, I've met with carnuts people twice and am willing to consider a repeat Pamela: what I find so unique about this is now I "hear" everyone's comments in their voices Judy: you almost can hear them can't you? Judy: and see their faces rich-c: yes, that's the way it works for me Pamela: most definitely Guy B.: Well folks, going to go. I'll see you all next week Judy: night Guy BobS: yup, same here, time to go to bed....... rich-c: OK Guy, see you then BobS: nikte Guy Pamela: gnite Guy rich-c: yes, you're doing long hours of hard work, Bob BobS: and goodnight to the cleechez clan and Daniel......though think he already goen Guy B.: Poof BobS: gone
Guy B. left chat session Judy: yes, it is that time again, am watching Josh and Michael tomorrow so need to get to bed Pamela: what adds to it Judy is that most people write the way they speak BobS: naw they write worse Judy: you think? BobS: see ya's next week Pamela: just a tad Judy: just spell worse
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Judy left chat session rich-c: guess that's about it, Pam Pamela: well Papa, looks like it's just you and I rich-c: yes, and I know you have work to do - anything to report? Pamela: no it's very quiet Pamela: nuts at work rich-c: we may get around to our annivarsary dinner yet - Bon Vivant reopens tomorrow after renovations Pamela: I gather you didn't find a substitute rich-c: not that meets our exacting specifications ; - ) Pamela: LOL rich-c: sweriously, dexcent restaurants that are also quiet are hard to come by Pamela: yes I know rich-c: and we prefer they not be TOO far from home rich-c: be nice if we could find one in Yorkdale, but I think it's a lost cause Pamela: it's been one for years now rich-c: if only we had a taste for light kosher, we'd be made in gthe shade rich-c: there's United Farmers and Colemans and a passel of others around Pamela: Colemans is a really good deli, but it's not what you would call fine dining Pamela: ditto with United Farmers, as long as you're not interested in meat rich-c: or there's rows of real cheap Filipinos cheek by jowl on Wilson Pamela: I don't think I've ever had Filipino Pamela: must try that sometime rich-c: there just doesn't seem to be much beyond Swiss Chalet and the big shooter watering holes Pamela: Kelsey's is taking over the world : ) rich-c: there is one beside the Beer Store - the garlic smell outside would knock you over - and I LIKE garlic! Pamela: one what? Pamela: Kelsey's? rich-c: we don't have a Kelsey's, or a Keg Pamela: Kegs are hard to come by Pamela: there's one at Yonge north of Pamela: Sheppard rich-c: no, Filipino - also a couple across the street and around the corner Pamela: which beer store? rich-c: plaze, north side of Wilson, just west of Bathurst rich-c: small but convenient for my bottle returns Pamela: oh that one Pamela: IDA plaza rich-c: yes, not the most charming - btw the new Avenue Road LCBO appears ready to open Pamela: I'm getting stubborn in my old age Pamela: prefer not to fight traffic to find parking rich-c: at least they have taken down the "coming soon" siogn and the old store is closed Pamela: anyway Papa, I'll call to chat in the next couple of days rich-c: well, Bayview is a long way for my wine purchases, so I use the store in the big box plaza at the Allen Pamela: see there, I'll shop rich-c: OK, time you got your shuteye - say helloi to Russell and sleep tight Pamela: Russell says hi back Pamela: I'm for bed Pamela: goodnight, Daddy rich-c: OK - tell him to enjoy the weekend feetsball, there isn't much left Pamela: I will rich-c: goodnight, daughter Pamela: g'nite - kerpoof!
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