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ADAMCON 12 or OC.....
When will all of this happen?
Toronto in the summer is usually hot and sunny. It will be nice weather then, even if you don't go outside for the entire schedule. The middle of July is when Toronto area has hosted previous 'Cons, and so I'll keep with tradition.
What will we be doing?
As always, AdamCon will be a combination of reunion and enriching sessions on everything from the latest in computer technology (with application relating to the Adam) to discussions of old favorite topics and trivia. It is as always a time of renewal of energy towards this great machine we call the "Adam Family Computer System". In the weeks leading up to an AdamCon there is always a flurry of activity, to prepare seminars on all topics Adam, and as a result the fall out stirs up Adam interest, and spurs more activity.
Why AdamCon 0C?
Why you may ask is the twelfth annual international Coleco Adam computer convention called AdamCon 0Ch? Well, it turns out that the official name of the first AdamCon was somewhat jokingly called "01", which I always thought was hexadecimal. Well to prove it, I am calling this AdamCon 0C. It is a tribute to all of the engineers and programmers who ever worked on the Adam, or contributed to the Adam community. As is happening throughout society, the year 2000 is one to look back on past successes and especially future possibilities. That is the philosophy of this upcoming AdamCon.
ATTENTION: The convention date has been set for JULY 20-23.
Make your plans NOW and start saving those dollars!!!
Location! Location! Location!
The dedicated AdamCon staff are searching the Greater Toronto Area for the perfect venue. Because the convention is still in the future, we hope to have jet packs, Virtual Reality goggles and gloves for everyone who attends. We are still researching for pricing on those components. The cost for this AdamCon is planned to be $300 US for a regular full delegate sharing a room for 4 nights (Thursday night to Sunday night) including all breakfasts, lunches and of course the Banquet. The big project will be to premier the Coleco Adam repository -- a CD-ROM with all of the best PD, articles, information and guides for the Adam that we can assemble in one place. If you have any electronic donations contact Dale directly.
Your's To Discover
The Tourism Ontario slogan is Ontario "Your's to Discover" -- and that applies to before and after the AdamCon. The Toronto Zoo (who just celebrated their 25th annivarsary), is among the 10 top zoos world wide. The tallest free standing building in the world is next to the stadium where the Blue Jays play. Just around the corner from Toronto are the wine regions of Ontario and of course world famous Niagra Falls.
Open casting call......
As with all AdamCons, I am looking for volunteers for all aspects of the conference. That includes speakers to give key notes, lectures or hands on lessons. Also, I am looking for a hardware wizard, and help with other before hand setup issues. Finally, I am looking for equipment that can be brought for the conference for the hands on lab.
More to come!
Keep your eyes peeled, because there will be more bulletins on the way with rate schedule and all of the details as they come into focus. look for this bulletin and more at: http://www.adamcon.org/12/
Sincerely, Dale Wick, Chairman of AdamCon 0Ch dmwick@home.com
"Dinosaurs into the new Millenium" (ADAMCON theme)
Well, things are heating up. The AdamCon is a few short months away and the excitement is building. The location of the AdamCon is to be the Howard Johnston Triumph Hotel in Toronto near the Yorkdale Shopping Mall at Keele and 401. Our convention comittee has met and decided that this is too good an opportunity to miss choosing a theme. This year's theme is "Dinosaurs into the new Millenium." We hope to suport that with our mascot the pink dinosaur. During the convention we are planning on having a wide array of session including a hands on lab. Also AdamCon is your chance to pick up accessories, replacement parts and trivia about the Adam.
More information
There is now a registration form on the AdamCon site. Register now. Volunteer to lead a session. Look for more details on the hotel and the city in Bulletin 3 as well as directions on how to get there. AdamCon is coming to town! Dale Wick, Chairman of AdamCon 0Ch
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<rich> Will the same card allow a two-device cable?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Yes Rich. You too could have 2 hard disks in
your Adam...
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> or a CD-ROM and an IDE ZIP disk.
<rich> Better still, an LS120 drive - they can handle standard
floppies too
<rich> In fact with an LS120 you wouldn't need a hard disc
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Scott, get me a per board price, minimum run
and I'll okay the expenditure.
<rich> When you get the price, Dale, fill me in - maybe some day
someone will ask me for one
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Rich, the only problem is a question of
TDOS/EOS driver support for the floppy dirve capabilioty of an
LS-120.
<rich> I think the LS120 will also handle the 720K format
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> And of course the Millinium OS drivers for
the plethora of possible combinations of hardware.
<rich> I haven't tried it on mine but think I saw something to that
effect somewhere
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> The LS-120 will at least handle 1.44MB 3.5"
floppys.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I don't know about 720k floppies though.
<rich> On a ZIp or Superdisc, will the Adam support anything over 64
MB?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Rich, yes and no. The most obvious way to
support it wouldn't but if someone were ambitious enough it is
possible.
<rich> Like, writing an Adam version of System Commander?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Right now the last 32MB are for TDOS. EOS can
using anything up to 16GB.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> A long time software wish list item for me.
But one I'll never write.
> I'm back...
<rich> So on a Superdisc you could have 32 MB of TDOS and 88 MB of
EOS on every disc. Wow!
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Absolutley. It would be 4 x 8MB TDOS and 10 x
8.8MB EOS.
<rich> Maybe we can inspire Scott or McQ or Shawn or someone to take
up that challenge
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Or Loren Guyaz. > Sounds intriguing...
> I'd like to help Dale get this CD-ROM interface working...
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> All of my programming lately has been on
AdamEm working on a variety of SuperGames and SuperGame
prototypes.
> Of couse, there's only so much time...
> You're working on SuperGames? Like Dragon?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Scott, did you ever look into the Mayan
example I showed you?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I'm working on 5 I guess.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I work on one then get stuck or inspired and
switch.
> Looked, yes. Thoroughly examined it, no -- but I plan on getting
around to it, just too busy at the moment.
<rich> Scot, have you saved teh transcriopt of this session? We're
getting near teh refresh level
> Any chance any of these making it to ADAMCON?
> Yes, Rich.
<rich> OK, do consider posting it around the Adam mailing list
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Most recently I've been working on a kayaking
simulation. I haven't found a satisfactory rendering
algorithm
yet, So right now I'm doing prototyping of different
methods.
> It's going into an HTML file.
<rich> Good, thast should be relatively small and transmit easily
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Has anyone talked to Rich Drushel recently?
> What tools are you using for graphics?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Of course the working versions will be at
AdamCon, but as for finishing any of them, I don't know.
> Are you using PowerPAINT?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> For graphics I use a 4 step process usually:
sketch, convert to tiles, flaten colours, convert to VDP format.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I sometime scan my sketches...
> So you use Photoshop?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I often enter it as source code like: "xxx xx
" in a C program to be translated and converted.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I also have conversion programs for Unix...
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> and of course there is Marcel's conversion
program...
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> but I haven't been using it lately.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I don't usually use PhotoShop since I need to
end up with some very specific results, and I feel that it is
not specific enough.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> But MS Paint in 16 colour mode works well.
> I'm a big Photoshop user.
> Absolutely love it.
> It can do about anything and then its images can be converted over
using Marcel's programs.
<rich> As long as you get a bitmap with 4-bit colour depth, that's
what you need, isn't it?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> PhotoShow is a tool I use for "continious
tone" results. I haven't tried it for fixed palette results. I would
guess that you would be better at that.
> But the graphics still need touching up with some type of Paint
program like a PowerPAINT, etc.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I've actually got an editor that draws on the
Amiga and X Windows in an Adam color palette with the same
color restrictions.
<rich> Isd that to get around the Adam bleeding problem, Scott?
> That's what I'm developing. The "touching up" tool.
> I use Photoshop for scanning, titling, etc. I do the color
processing on the ADAM -- the process is still evolving; I'm still
learning how to incorporate
> my IBM into the process.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Scott, are you still interested in working
with me on a game before AdamCon, or would you like to wait
until after AdamCon?
> I'd love to work on it, but we need some kind of schedule.
> Also, we need to define what tasks remain and who needs to do
what, etc.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Well we need to first agree on the project.
Single Dragon is what we talked about before.
> We need to both be working with relatively the same tools...
> First of all, what projects are open?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> So far I have a scrolling background engine,
and a streetscape for hand to hand combat...
> What are my choices.
> We both need to understand the source code, of which I haven't
seen.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> but I need the graphics for the characters. I
can email you the specs if that would be appropraite.
> You need someone to draw the sprites, okay, what else?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> The source code is based on the Mayan
adventure code.
> Okay, I can examine that.
> What about the backgrounds?
> The title screen?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> The next be stumper is the playability. I
need to work on my session...
> How large are the environments?
> How many environments?
> Control needs to be the central issue.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> which is about building AIs for non-player
characters. That requires some work on a specification of how
the various villans should behave.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I can describe what the concept is so far.
> What other games are you working on?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I've drawn a title screen, though it could be
colorized or animated.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I'm also working on a game called "Spin Baby"
which involves a realtime control of marbles...
> Any adventure games (other than Mayan adventure)?
<rich> That sounds about as easy as herding cats
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> there are four colored marbles moving on a
board a t a time. The user has discs that can grab or launch
balls and direct them...
> Sounds really good.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> For that game, there need to be features
(extra items which affect the "blowing of wheels" -- the default
rule requiring 4 balls and that's all)...
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Such as "stop lights" that require a certain
combination of colors in the wheel before it will blow.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> And of course lots of boards are needed.
> For this software development, we could meet here, at this chat
room.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> That project has a sound track that needs
work.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> That would be fine Scott. Email is also a
useful tool.
> If we utilize the CD-ROM format for sound, I could burn a CD-ROM
soundtrack.
> I have a good tool called "Acid" by Sonic Foundry as well as other
sound tools.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> There is of course Mayan Adventure...
> Mayan adventure, like Indianna Jones or Montezuma's Revenge?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> which needs an AI, mazes, an intro video (I
have story boards but I need to get the artwork together)...
> What do you want to see finished most of all?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> and of course a scoring system and some
secrets to discover.
> I could handle voice recording on this end if we decide to utilize
the CD-ROM.
> CD-ROM > for a special ADAMCON presentation.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Finally there is my Kayaking simulation which
is a kayaking version of something like Antartic Adventure or
Turbo maybe.
> Suprised that you're not much into RPG's.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Anything that you can do in MIDI format is
eligible for the Adam.
> I'm into adventure style games, you tend to be more interested in
arcade style games.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I've seen Acid but I haven't tried it.
> Acid's wonderful. I'll burn you a CD of some stuff that I put
together for fun.
> Are you farthest along on Single Dragon?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Mayan adventure could really be anything. It
could be a RPG. It is not really well enough defined to know
for sure.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I am writing a variety of games to master the
OS7 API for my AdamCon presentations. I really don't play...
> Hi Guy!
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> many games. I do like Indiana Jones/Tomb
Raider/Relic Hunter kinda stuff in general.
> This game, would it require a 64K memory expander?
<Guy B.> Finally here. I must of reactivated the window. Hang on
I'll be right back.
> Okey dokey.
<Guy B.> I'm back.
> What type of game do you want to create?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I would say that I am farthest along on "Spin
Baby!" but it is hard to tell since I haven't taken a formal
design approach. Single Dragon was a project that was made with you
helping me in mind.
<Guy B.> Bob, Jeanene's in the hospital. Got a very bad back.
<BobS> oh, oh, serious????
> Sorry to hear about that, Guy.
> Dale, let's make this easy. Let's do Single Dragon.
<Guy B.> Yeah, it is. She's going to have an MRI tomorrow.
> But call it something else.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> What would you use the 64k exapnder for with
a SuperGame? It is all written with overlays which are read
in as needed.
> What would you use them for? Large environments.
> Absolutely huge environments.
> And animation.
<BobS> hpe they find the problem!
<Guy B.> Dale, Any word on the location of AC12?????
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Annimation and sound samples are good
candidates.
> Have you ever played Final Fight CD for the Sega CD?
<BobS> Howard Johnson Motel!!!!
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> The problem is that you have to coose between
the two. When sound samples are playing, everything
else stops.
<BobS> near the Ramada where AC02 was held
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> How do you want to start?
<BobS> were you at AC02 Guy????
> That is the ultimate "Single Dragon" type of game.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Do you need a design document for what is
designed so far?
> Yes, give me an idea what's in the first level or environment.
<Guy B.> No, I missed AC02. I was getting fitted for my Cochlear
Implant that year.
> Does this take place in a limited map of a downtown city?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I haven';t tried final fight. > Have a Sega CD?
> I have an extra copy.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Nope. No sega CD.
> Genesis?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I planned to have a looping streetscape on
the first level.
<Guy B.> Missed three conventions the first one, AC02 and AC08. Been
attending the others since then.
<BobS> too bad! was our first one, and we got broke in....so to
speak!
> Have you played Streets of Rage?
<BobS> Rich & Frances were great hosts
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I showed a version of it at my session in the
last AdamCon. I could FAX you my presentation notes.
> Or e-mail me them.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Uh oh. The history just reset.
<BobS> hmmmm, didn't remember youmissed #8
> Don't worry. I have it all.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> The theme for the AdamCon is "Dinosaurs into
the Millinium"
<Guy B.> Yep, had to miss that one.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> They are hand sketches, so I'll have to try
and scan them.
<Guy B.> Dale, you going to be updating the website shortly?
> Just saved the transcript of the Chat so far.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Yes, I've been working on an update this
afternoon. It is almost done.
<Guy B.> So, all of us are looking forward to getting our
reservations in for AC12 then?
> Dale, it sounds like we have alot more to discuss.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I'll be publishing a registration form and be
looking for checks. :-)
> Should we meet in the chat room again later in the week?
<Guy B.> Bob, how's your hand now?
> Yes, how's that hand?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Scott, sure. I'll email you some materials
first. Then go from there. Would that be okay?
<Guy B.> Great Dale, I'll be checking there soon.
> Sure. Somehow I need to get up to speed as to where the project
is.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> When would you be free tomorrow?
<BobS> one finger good! middle finger coming along; swelling down,
looks normal size 'cept for this rather big scar with a nasty
acab on it
> For now, I could design some sprites for you.
<BobS> and of course tender and not much feeling yet
<Guy B.> Aiee! Watch that very carefully there. You got to be more
careful with those tools.
> How large are your characters going to be? 16X32?
<BobS> NO keeeding!
<Guy B.> By the way. How's the house coming?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Scott, we need to keep that SD project to a
managable size, and if there are bigger ideas we could shunt
them to a sequal.
> Do you have a script or story?
> Any artwork done?
<BobS> can see the end of the y are planning on moving in Apr
15ththing coming! the
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> The bad guys need to be 24x40 at most...
<Guy B.> I bet Doug and Meeka are looking forward to that.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> and the good guy can be 32x48...
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I'll explain the restrictions in email. It
used blended sprite and background...
> I presume we want multicolored characters.
> Okay.
<Guy B.> OK, guys, I got to go. Looks like rich didn't make it
tonight. See you next week.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> With a variety of colours.
> Leaving so soon?
<BobS> Rich was here.....
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Rich was here earlier.
<BobS> I gotta split also fellas
<Guy B.> Guessed I missed him.
<BobS> see ya next week????
<Guy B.> See you then.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Sure. If I'm free then.
> So the character is a few sprites drawn with the foreground,
leaving the background unaltered?
> Lost Bob too.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> The bad guys are entirely background (so that
they can swarm)...
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Good guy is sprites+backgrounds for more
color fidelity.
> Gotcha.
> Any artwork completed?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Oh no. I scared them all off.
> Me too.
> I could design the user manual with PageMaker.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> 0 artwork. Except for a title screen. But you
want to rename it. I left the title screen at work...
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I'll have to post it on my web site for you
to look at.
> Let's put together sort of a "proposal" outlining what the project
is and what needs to be done.
> I could send it to you via e-mail.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Definately.
> Let's rename the game, shall we?
> Single Dragon is obviously a working title.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Neil made some prototype artwork but nothing
improtant....
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> But you will want a copy of my background for
scaling purposes. It is pretty nice.
> Names taken for this type of game: Bare Knuckle, Final Fight,
> Sounds good.
> Anything I can look at in the emulator?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> At the end of a level there is normally a
"Big Nasty" ,which can be bigger...
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> because it doesn't need to have as many
versions available.
> Yes, a Boss character.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Yes in the emulator. It is on my laptop...
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> at work tonight though.
> Sounds like we need to research a name,
> and brainstorm some preliminary ideas for the game.
> This engine that's developed can then be used for other projects.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I envision a main character who on level 1 is
introduced to a ...
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> damsel in distress to rescue or something.
> We should both go out independently and collect ideas then meet up
in a couple of days to discuss progress.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Then, waves of bad guys need to be combated
against with karate style moves.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Okay.
> Or perhaps our hero could be a superhero? Scale walls?
> Of course, for some reason, Spiderman just entered into my mind...
> I don't know why...
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Makes it more complex. Maybe we should leave
it for a higher level, then add it as time warrents.
> Okay.
> We could also make it futuristic.
> That would be my preference.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> That is an interesting thought.
> Maybe he's a cop trying to fight his way out of the city?
> Or a criminal trying to escape a prison?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> It could do that in some levels, and look
like the wild west on others. Depending on how sophistocated. It
is the same to me either way.
> Any weapons in the game?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I don't know. Maybe a fighting stick or
num-chucks...
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> that sort of thing.
> Do we want this just to be a standard beat-em up or try to create
something a little original?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> It really is at it's essence a martial arts
fighting game.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I would be happy with a playable game either
way. A few puzzles are alway good to throw in the fray.
> Okay.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I'm flexible on the (borad) details, which is
why I wanted to collorate on this one.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> broad details that is.
> I like the futuristic element to it.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> We could start with a standard fighting game,
then reuse the basic engine for more original ideas.
> We can be very creative with it and take liberties with how things
look.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Futuristic is always good. Lots of fun for
graphics.
> I'm still trying to think of ways to make it sound more
interesting...
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> The bigest restriction is that I want it to
fit on a 160k media. But I'm pretty clever with compression, so it
shouldn't be too bad.
> A standard beat-em up has already been done.
> Why stop with 160K?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> That is the standard format for a SuperGame.
With the prototyping I've done so far, I find it is quite
expressive...
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> It offers a good trade-off between load speed
and variety.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> If we are focussing on the Emulator as our
target then the sky is the limit. But I want it to work on
"standard" Adam hardware.
> Ok. So we'll limit ourselves to 160K.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> My compression code can get 10:1 compression
or better depending.
> Wow.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I can usually fit a slide or map in a tiny
amount of space then decompress it as it is needed.
> So how do we get started on this?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I managed to fit a 6k title screen for Single
DRAGON into <1k.
> That's pretty good compression!
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Well, I'll send you my plan for graphics. I
have it written up around here somewhere. I'll have to look for it.
> So, is our main character trying to conquer a bad area in a city?
> He wanders through different areas of a map that is presented at
the start of each level?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I think that the rescue a damsel in destress
will stand until you get a better suggestion.
> Okay. Let's each go off and gather ideas, then meet up again.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> The goal is to get to the hiding place for
the kidnapped victim.
> When would be a good time? I'm thinking of Saturday.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Talk to you later.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Saturday...
> Okay. See you Saturday.
> What time?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Sure.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Sure. How about mid day for you ...
> 2pm EST?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> You are -2 hours from me right?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Sure 2pm EST.
> Yes, so it's 12noon for me.
> Okay, sounds good. See ya then.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Great.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Bye for now.
> Bye.
Chat
3/15/00
In attendance: Scott Gordon, Dale Wick, Rich Clee, Bob Slopsema and
Guy Bona
> You beat me here.
> Rich, are you there?
<rich> Hi and welcome
> Rich, phone home...
> Isn't that what I should be saying???
<rich> Yeah, I'm lurking right there waiting for you
> Hey -- I recieved the masters for The ADAM Resource Directory
yesterday.
<rich> Fair warning though, I gave up going to movies after Gone
with the Wind
> It looks like quite an OCR job.
> The text isn't going to be easy to OCR.
<rich> Yeah, I imagine you're going to have some fun with them
> It looks like the entire project was done on an ADAM -- am I
correct?
<rich> Still it's better than the photocopies run from those masters
> True.
> Rick told me that he really enjoyed coming to the
chat room last week.
<rich> I really don't know what computers wre used
> I wouldn't be surprised to see him again tonight.
<rich> I should certainly hope so - hope he comes back tonite
> He should.
<rich> Any new faces we can bring in are really welcome
> So, how are you liking the new chat room?
> Oh my god...
<rich> Well look who's hee
> Is that the Wickster???
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Hiya.
<rich> Hey Dale, have you chosen a hotel yet?
> Wow. It's an honor to have you here, Dale.
> Inquiring minds want to know...
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> It is going to be the Howard Johnston
Triumph. We sign the papers on Friday.
> What's the date?
<rich> The one at Keele and Wilson?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I have Bulletin 2 almost done.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Yes Keel and Wilson.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> (Keele)
> Cool. I'll post it in my news section once you're done...
<rich> That's just terrific for me
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> July 20-23 as mentioned several time on the
mailing list.
> So this date is firm...
<rich> It's practically walking distance from my place, Scott
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Date is rock solid as of Feb 26.
> This is good news.
<rich> I may have to walk - or else book a troom to get parking
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Scott, can you keep transcripts of these chat
sessions?
> So, any idea what we've got planned for the agenda for ADAMCON 0C?
> I have last week's. I just forgot to send it to the list.
<rich> Maybe I'll volunteer to do a seminar
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Yes, definatley we have some good topics
lined up...
> What've you got so far?
<rich> how to take apart and reassemble an Adam printer without too
many screws left over
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Let me start by asking what was your
presentation? I have the time blocked out, but the topic isn't
written in///
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> We are doing a Hands-on LOGO lab...
<rich> had to get the paper tray lever unstuck - that took disassembly
<BobS> YO dudes !!!!
<BobS> ???????
> If this is in July, I will probrably have my new XLR digital
camera to record some of the 'CON.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Creating artificial intelligences (AI
non-player characters) for SuperGAMES
<rich> Hi Bob - you're late
> Hey Bob.
<BobS> well, not much!!
<rich> Should have been here earlier - we've got teh hotel for
Adamcon
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> There is a Geneology topic under
consideration...
> Well, we need a presentation on The ADAM Resource and ADAM
websites in general...
<BobS> which is??????
<BobS> AND Dale!!! need registration form for ANN
> For me too!
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Howard Johnston Tripmph Hotel
near Rich's
place.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> The reg form is due out with
Bulletin 2
tonight.
<rich> Also teh nearest east to the Ramada we used
for Adamcon 02
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Searching the web using search
engines...
<rich> Right opposite Ontario Provincial Police HQ -
keep your halo
on straight!
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> How long did you want for TAR
and web sites
in general?
<BobS> TRIPMPH hotel.....???
> Dale -- any hardware/software unvielings?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Also transfering files...
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> "Triumph"
<rich> You mean Adam to DOS and back?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> There is a demo night on
Friday for any new
software/hardware...
> It could be a short session -- probably 30 minutes.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Will you be using some of that
time?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I am as always working on some
possible
hardware and software.
> I have a new OS I'm developing...
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> So far I have only 1 keynote.
As you'll see
in the bulletin there are still some topics to fill
in.
<BobS> need a session slot for ADAMBOMB2
> But I have no idea if it could make it to ADAMCON
-- big
undertaking...
<rich> Do you expect to have it ready in time?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> What are the objectives of the
OS?
<BobS> AND a slot for swapping files from dos 2 adam
& vice cersa
> I could give a product demo of The Font Suite, but
my website's
kept my very busy.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> AdamBomb2? What do you want to
tal;k about?
<BobS> show the solution so Richard gets excited
about playing it!
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> We are planning to have a game
contest of
some sort. Maybe AdamBomb2 could fit into this some
how.
<BobS> hints, tips tricks, etc
<rich> Dale, how many Adams are you going to need?
<BobS> too long for conventnion!
> I don't want to talk a whole lot about the OS (did
that in a
previous chat session), but it will be a completely
graphics
oriented
operating system.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Allready schedules (re:
swapping files from
AdaM to DOS)
> We need a session on creating your own disk images
for The ADAM
Emulator.
<rich> We also need a session on how I can email you
guys lots of PD
Adam software
> Dale -- I'll tell you what I'm presently working
on...
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Maybe I could talk to Jill
about doing a
short session on how to solve "large map" games.
> The Font Suite, Millenium OS, The Animation Studio,
Untitled Paint
Program, Dragon Master and Untitled Halloween game.
> There's also my own tools I'm developing for
internal development
as well.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Rich, I more need a "Sargent
at Arms" who
makes sure the systems work. I'm mostly looking for
disk
drives on loan. Could you email me a list of disk-
drives that you
could lend?
<rich> Personal preference: priority to the OS,
balance when that's
done
> Unfortunately, I haven't been able to get to it
because of my site
and other distractions...
<rich> Does size matter. Dale?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I would say that the OS is the
lowest
priority...an OS with no software isn't as useful as
the software.
IMHO
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Rich, I prefer 320k but others
are all fine.
<rich> Yes, Dale, but given a new OS it may allow
much better
software to be written
> It's an OS for my own software development that
will make it
easier for me to create projects from scratch.
> It can be adopted later.
<rich> Dale, I think I can find 3 or 4 320s and a
720, maybe another
720
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> By whom? My opinion is that a
development
tool that builds on EOS/OS7 is a better focus of
effort.
> I want to learn how to build one anyway...
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Rich, please email the list to
dmwick@home.com.
> Problem is, I don't like EOS 7.
> That's why I'm putting together Millenium.
<rich> Depends on what new capabilities the new OS
may offer. It has
to be superior to be preferred
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> That's fine. Are you going to
use an existing
file system?
> The focus is improving software development...
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Writing an OS is always an
itneresting
project.
> Yes, I will be able to read/write EOS directory
structures, among
other things...
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> My approach is to use tools
that make that
easy to manage complexity. Only the file system
drivers in
EOS bother me.
<rich> Any use for an LC hard disc, Dale?
> I don't like most of the routines. Like the Write
VRAM. I have
programs that need to call this routines hundreds of
times. So I
tweaked the routine for
> optimum performance.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Rich, possibly. Which reminds
me Scott, what
is the latest update on the IDE slot 3 drivers? MTAG
and
you were hoping to manufacture some.
> Software drivers or printing boards?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> The write VRAM routine has
delays due to
hardware wait states for reliable bulk writes on all
video chips.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> If you remove all delays, it
will work
faster, but drop out bytes here and there.
> It also has an unnecessary jump to a routine that's
like what -- 6
or 7 lines of code before jumping back.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I know, because I've sped it
up for some of
my annimation projects, and it doesn't work reliably
on all
Adams. :-(
> No -- the delay isn't where it needs to be tweaked.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> HAve you looked at Rich
Drushel's EOS version
7 project?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> He made some interesting
improvements. And
facilities for other hardware drivers.
> I removed the jump (or was it a call?) and
eliminated an
instruction or two to make it more speedy.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> It is used with AdamServ...
> Just getting the routine a couple instructions
shorter helps
improve performance on my graphic intensive programs.
> No, haven't seen EOS 7. I'd be interested...
<rich> Does Adamserv really exist or is it just a
prototype?
> What do you have in the pipeline, Dale?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> which uses a serial port link
to a PC to adds
harddrives and other PC hardware to the Adam.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> AdamServ is generally
available but ...
> How many boards do you want to print?
> And what are your plans for them?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> you need to get it from
HLM/GMK normally
because it needs to be configured for your setup...
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> But there are 4 standard
configuratons. The
bigest issue is harddisk configuration of commercial
software.
<rich> Hope Dr. D. comes to the convention then. I
have an
interesting XT
<rich> But I still have to haggle with George and
Herman
> What about your CD-ROM project, Dale?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> If you don't need any
preconfigured harddisk
software, then you can have any copy. It is free.
> That would be the ideal format for Dragon Master.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> My CDROM project should come
together. I need
to set a deadline for submissions for sometime in
June...
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I would like any .submissions
that you are
willing to offer.
> Did you get it working?
> Right now, I'm only willing to commit to a
presentation of my
website. Everything else depends on how far along I
am...
<rich> Remember my offer, Dale
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> What would be the ideal format
for Dragon
Master?
> CD-ROM...
> I'd like the CD-ROM to handle the background music
out speakers,
not through ADAM's internal sound chip.
> Which, I figure, yours does anyway...
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Ahh. You mean native CD-ROM
support for the
Adam. I've actually been working on creating a
collection
of Adam software on a CD-ROM.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I haven't been working on
hardware support
for a CD-ROM lately.
> Yes. The ability to talk to the CD-ROM and tell it
to play a
track.
> My father said that the hardrive interface could be
modified to
handle a CD-ROM.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Well, my native Adam CD-ROM
support does do
background playing of music....
<BobS> HOT DA*M that would be sumthin!!!!
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> but I didn't think that it was
a real
priority.
<rich> How do you manage the intefrface?
> I don't know a lot about CD-ROM issues, that's why
I'm asking you.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> It is support of transfering
data that is my
real proirty, but I plan on completing my collection
of Adam
resources on CD-ROM first.
<rich> Dale, what software do you need that I can
supply?
> If you can read a file from CD-ROM, why can't you
do something
easier, such as give it a command to play a track out
to an
external speaker?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> CD-ROMs use IDE to
communicate. I simply
added it as a slave device
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> The Adam supports IDE devices.
<rich> Would that be through some variation of the
Low Cost Hard
Disc interface card?
> The idea is to unveil Dragon Master at say ADAMCON
13 or 14, that
can play audio through a CD-ROM interface.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Yes Rich with the standard Low
Cost Hard Disk
(slot 3) card
> How many do you want to print?
<rich> The Low Cost is a slot 1 card
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Scott, I can demo that much at
AdamCon for
you.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Scott, you said we could do a
minimum run of
about 50.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Scott, I can do the background
audio play
now.
> But Dragon Master needs to be able to control when
to start and
stop playing the music and which tracks.
> Really?
> You can do this now?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Scott, you would have start,
stop, and track
select control via software. No problem.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Yes.
> So if we loaded up the program, then inserted an
audio disk, the
program could tell it when to start and stop tracks?
> This is what I'm looking for.
> And this would be an event exclusive to ADAMCON.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Rich, I'll have to meet with
you sometime.
I'll phone you early next week and pick a time.
> We create this awesome ADAM setup only to be
experienced at
ADAMCON.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I can't demo to you over chat,
now can I?
<rich> Very good, Dale, we have a lot of ground to
cover
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Well, you're not exactly a
short drive from
me, are you Scott.
> Not exactly.
> That's a real bummer.
<rich> Hey, it's only about three days
> Dale- forgot to ask- how do you like how my site's
evolving???
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Yes software control would
have a play track,
start track, pause, stop, etc.
> And you've got the software to do this?
<rich> Scott, I see you have Geoff's pages and the
index looks
interesting
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Scott, your site looks good. I
haven't looked
around in about 2 weeks. Anythnig major since then?
> Yeah - well it's now the home of Geoff Oltman's
Coleco ADAM
Pages...
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Geoff's site has always been
pretty
interesting.
> And about half a dozen or so new articles.
> Brings the grand total of online articles up to
111.
<rich> Has he transferred and closed down the
original or are you
mirroring?
> He's completely down. If it wasn't for my site,
there would be no
web presence for Geoff Oltman right now.
<rich> Don't push it too fast, Scott. It's sometimes
good if
visitors find a new treat every time
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Do you collect web stats on
visits?
<rich> Is he going back up again and will he be
mirroring you?
> If you notice Rich, Guy Cousineau's EOS manual is
part of the
site. I went ahead and left it as is so that you
could talk to him
about
this.
<rich> Didn't see that but my concern is top guard
ANNs interests
> He did get permission from Guy to put it up. I'm
sure he's not
aware of ANN's position.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> I plan on putting up a copy of
Guy's manual
as a mirror.
<rich> Guy holds the copyright but ANN bought his
stock for resale
> I kinda am caught in the middle of it and want
Geoff to resolve
this issue with ANN.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Guy is the copyright holder.
It is up to him,
as far as I'm concerned. An electronic document
doesn't
replace a paper one.
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Does anyone have other
suggestions for
topics? Is the proposed Geneology topic a good idea?
<rich> Since I'm busy printing out a 170 page PDF
document, I know
what you mean!
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> (Back to AdamCon)
> Guy also gave me permission to reprint any of his
work, but since
ANN has plenty of stock on his manual, I'm not
interested in
having it online.
<rich> Other than the manual, ANN has no monetary
interests at stake
> You know, Rich -- I still haven't gotten around to
promoting your
software company on my site. That's my fault...
<rich> The software of course is another matter
<rich> It's OK Scott, us old folks have patience
> So Dale, you want to print about 50 boards, eh?
<Dinosaur Dale/AC 0Ch> Yes. Can to start the ball
rolling on that?
> I have the schematics.
Chat
2/23/00In attendance: Scott Gordon, Rich Clee and Bob Slopsema.
Wednesday Chat - 2/23/00 <rich> the guy you went for might not win
they're still there barely, but kinda unservicable> Ouch! Didn't know about that...
> And she designed the ADAMCON t-shirtsor something like that? > Wow! Your computer crashes??
invade thre ADAM environment?????? ;-)<BobSlopsema> farn dingers!!!!!
> I've already accessed the 64K chip. I know how touse it. <BobSlopsema> should be lots of 64k expanders
> and enter another. Or you can return to thedesktop. All of this is in RAM -- extremely quick.
<rich> Unfortunately, the supply of MI drives hasdried up > Using 22disk is just tedious.
and the powermate HD connector on it?<rich> That was the hard disc controller, which was a
aren't optimized, the cold boot -- what the hell am Igoing to use that for once
<BobSlopsema> rich is BSACVK!!!!!> Rich!
<BobSlopsema> OR get a LOT younger and get moreenergy!!! > I'll let you play with The Font Suite at ADAMCON
<rich> Who wrote VisiSprite?> Can't remember, but there's a review on my site.
mind when he wrote it> I think so.
> My problem with programs like Speedy Write andSmartWRITER... <rich> Some of the folks in 463 Adam swear by
Chat 3/8/00 by Joe Blenkle
<rich> Hi! What took you so long?
> I've been here twice already.
> Then AOL decided not to work.
<rich> Oh? I've been here since 9 sharp
<rich> Ah yes - AOL
> Riiiiggghhhttt.
<rich> The Microsoft of ISPs
> I was here about 5 minutes before 9.
> And also a minute or so past.
> That's when AOL crapped out.
<rich> I usually have to wait solong I don't connect
till 9 these
days
> It's been a busy day for ADAM stuff.
<rich> I noticed the exchanges on the Adam mailing
list
> Joe Blenkle's reprints of ECN are coming to The
ADAM Resource.
<rich> This is not a surprise, given the context
<rich> I'll bet Joe is delighted
> I've also got a guy who wants to help.
> Imagine that!
<rich> I noticed that, and there will maybe be more
help too
> I've already tried my hand at OCRing an article
from ECN.
> No major problems.
<rich> There's a return for helping, you know - you
get to read and
save
the stuff your own=self
> I'd love to get more people involved.
> True.
<rich> The time will come. I've finally got System
Commander
> I don't have a complete collection of ECN, but
enough to get
started.
<rich> Now I just have to master 170 pages of
documentation
> What's System Commander?
> Oh yeah, have you sent out the ADAM Resource
Directory?
<rich> It's like Partition Magic but allows you to
span over
multiple
physical drives
<rich> You mean it hasn't got to you yet?
> Neat. (nerdy laugh)
> No.
> How long ago did you send it?
<rich> It's OK, the USPS quotes 4-6 weeks for surface
parcels
> Good God!
<rich> So Happy Easter, it's your egg!
> 4-6 weeks?
> I'll be seeing that in June...
<rich> Go to USPS.GOV and see for yourself
> So...
> We have Geoff Oltman's resource coming to my
site...
> Joe Blenkle's resource coming to my site...
> The ADAM Resource Directory coming to my site...
> ANN coming to my site...
<rich> I still like the dual mirrors idea - as in
truck driver?
> Good God!
<rich> The more the merrier; hope you've got a few
terabytes of
space
> That's a helluvalot of resources.
> 50 MB. Enough?
<rich> The more resources we can have together, and
the more big
chunks of the together we can have spread out too,
the better
> I've used only about 3-5.
> Rick!
> Glad to see you here!
> Did you get my e-mail?
<rich> Well, text files are tiny. Even pdf's aren't
bad -
<Rick> Hi there. Yes, I did.
<rich> the SC manual is 170 pages and 550K in pdf
> Yeah, but the printability of the PDF is awesome!
<rich> Hey, didn't see Rick come in. Who dat man?
> Can you say *perfect*
> Did you look at the small article that I OCRed from
ECN, Rick?
> Rick is the ADAM owner who wants to help OCR issues
of ECN.
<rich> Hey Scott, how about introducing our new
arrival?
> Sorry.
<Rick> Hi Rich. Nice to meet you. Scott, I did look
at the article.
I would
like to get started OCR-ing as soon as I can get some
issues.
> He's Rick Perron.
<rich> How do you feel about OCRing if the original
scans are sent
to
you?
> All around nice-guy.
<Rick> Is this Rich Druschell?? Did I spell that
right?
> Newest member to the ADAM Community.
<rich> OK Rick, I'm Rich Clee
<rich> Not to be confused with Dr. D - 50 years
younger and 50 times
smarter, he is
> The original scans, as in TIF images?
<rich> I think that is what my software produces, yes
<Rick> Hi Rich Clee. I've read about you. I feel like
I've been
"observing"
all these people. I know names, but not faces.
<rich> Go to ADamcon.org, look at the pictures, and
meet the whole
crew
<Rick> TIFs should be fine.
> Like I said in my e-mail, I have no problem sending
you the
duplicates
of ECN.
> That way you have your own originals.
> We could probrably start there.
<Rick> That would be great.
> 4 of the issues have already been OCRed.
> By Joe Blenkle, that is.
<rich> Before you came in, Rick, I was just telling
Scott I know
have
System Commander
<rich> It will let me bring an additional 8.4 gig
hard disc on line
with my
2.1 gig
<Rick> I would still like to get the issues that have
been put on
Joe's
website, just to make sure that I can duplicate the
original "look
and
feel".
> Wow.
<rich> Once that's done, I expect to have the
configuration to add
the
software to do useful Adam things
> How about this?
<Rick> What is System Commander. You have to remember
that I've
been "away" for a long time.
> How about we create a Digital Newsletter version of
it that would
look
as close...
> to the original as possible...
<rich> As I've told you, Scott, I have many lineal
shelf yards of
Adam
newsletters
> Rich -- you're talking to the two people that can
help bring these
resources to the web.
<rich> System Commander is like Partition Magic but
spans multiple
physical discs
> We've both got OmniPage.
<Rick> I wanted to ask you guys just how many
different newsletters
were there? What were the names, and where were they
located?
> Oh boy...
<rich> I have Textbridge but if you can handle the
raw TIFs that
should
do it
> Nibbles & Bits, Garden of ADAM (hehe)...
> NIAD, ECN, Sprite Chaser, ADAMLink of Utah,
<rich> Alan Neeley had his in Salt Lake City, the St/
Louis group
had
one, Orlando,
> MTAG, MOAUG, ADAM'S House Newsletter, AUGment...
<rich> MTAG in Toronto, 463 Adam in Indiana still
going
> St. Louis AUG, Emerald Coast AUG, Highlights...
> among others...
<rich> And don't forget Ottawa and before that FCAUG
in Montreal of
some ill fame
<Rick> I can't believe all those newsletters!! After
Coleco
abandoned
the Adam, I assumed it was dead. I guess I was dead
wrong!
<rich> And David Cobley with VISA on the wet coast
> I haven't seen MTAG, but my absolute favorite has
to be Nibbles &
Bits
<rich> Hey, Rick, I'm still using mine and have never
quit
> Followed by NIAD, etc., etc., etc....
<Guy B.> Well, I'm here FINALLY!
> Guy!
> Can it be?
<rich> Bloody well about time, Guy! What's your
excuse?
> Guy Bona, this is Rick Perron.
<Rick> Hi Guy. I'm new here.
<Guy B.> You don't want to know. Hi Rick.
<rich> You're probably right - I have those days too
> Inquiring minds want to know...
<Guy B.> I haven
<Guy B.> I haven't been able to get on.
<rich> Why? Are you on AOL too?
> Rick, have you taken a look at the October issue of
Nibbles & Bits
on
my site?
<Guy B.> Delphi has been pretty empty the last two
weeks.
<Rick> Not yet, Scott, but I'll be sure to check it
out.
<rich> Yes, Michael will knock down teh chat and keep
it as our
bulletin
board
> Do you have Acrobat Reader?
<Guy B.> So he finally gave in, eh!
<Rick> Scott, are you asking me?
> Yes, sorry, Rick -- Do you have Acrobat Reader?
<rich> No gave in about it - when we started having
the [problems
with
Delphi, he was part of the group that agreed to move
as soon as we
found a better answer
<Rick> Yes, I use QuarkXPress to layout the pages,
and then
"distill"
them into PDF files for Acrobat Reader.
<Guy B.> He was pretty upset about having the chats
moving from
Delphi to here.
<rich> Now that we have a better answer - well, if he
weren't tied
up
with some personal affairs, he'd be here now
> Ah! Quark is a great tool. One of the few I don't
have.
> I'm telling you -- it's my masterpiece of an OCR
job.
<Guy B.> I wonder where Bob is tonight?
> If you want to check out a really interesing
newsletter for free,
don't
hesitate... Check it out...
<rich> Dunno - he implied in an email last nite he'd
be here
<Rick> Scott, I'm still back on XPress 3.3, but am
hoping to upgrade
to
either 4.0 or Adobe InDesign at some point.
> It's about 110K.
> I had a chance to upgrade to In Design and didn't
see the need to.
<rich> I'm going to lurk for five minutes while you-
all talk
> I'm actually happy with PageMaker 6.5+
<Guy B.> Probably got tied up with Doug's new house.
Ok Scott.
> Rick -- are you a web developer?
<Rick> Since I'm new here: Where are you all located?
I just moved
back to Maine after being in Nashville, Tennessee for
ten years.
> I live in Denver, Colorado.
> Rich is from...
> What's that country...
> Canada???
<rich> Toronto
> Country of Toronto?
<rich> ya
> :)
<Rick> Scott, I'm a graphic designer by day. CDs,
cassettes, print
ads,
brochures, etc. I am interested in learning more
about web design. I
hear Dream Weaver (??) is the program to get.
> Yes, I have the latest version. 3.0.
<Guy B.> I'm on Delphi in another window. No one is
there.
> Dreamweaver's an excellent product but there are a
few
drawbacks...
> Especially when it comes to dragging and dropping
OCR work.
> It's really bad with the clipboard, ie, Cutting and
Pasting
external data.
<Rick> Hey Rich. My grandparents all came from
Quebec. Canada's a
beautiful country.
> I use, of all things, Pagemill 3.0...
<rich> It sure is. But so is the U.S.
> I use Dreamweaver for site management and some
editing but not for
Cut&Paste.
<Rick> So Scott's in Denver, Rich is in Toronto where
are you from,
Guy?
> Who's that guy?
<rich> Been to Yellowstone?
> Could it be...
> ...a Slopsema...
<Guy B.> Yo Bob!
> ...a very, very rare and dangerous predator of the
Canadian
outback...
<Rick> No, Rich. Never been there, but I hear it's
really a great
place to
visit.
<BobSlopsema> hey dudes!!!!
<rich> Hi Bob how's the fingers?
> Rick -- you're job sounds fun. I'm a web developer
for TRW.
<BobSlopsema> was here once, but my laptop didn't
have Java....
<Guy B.> Just checked Delphi. No one is there at all,
so I closed
the
window.
> As I'm sure you already figured out...
<BobSlopsema> gettin better, one is good other
trailing far behind
> Hey Bob -- could you get me that issue of the Feb
ANN?
<rich> Just make sure you've got a real good tape
drive available
> Oh yeah, Rick -- there was also ANN.
<rich> ANN isn't a newsleter, it's an anthology
> One of the largest ADAM support groups that sent
its articles on
Disk
or DDP.
<BobSlopsema> not yet scott.....am working on it...
<BobSlopsema> and march too....
> I beg to differ, Rich...
<Rick> ANN is still around, right?? I haven't really
gone through
the ANN
site.
<rich> Are they on your site for download, Bob?
<Guy B.> Any word from Dale about where the hotel is
going to be for
AC12 yet?
<BobSlopsema> not yet, just lazy i guess
> If you discount the medium it's sent on, it's still
ADAM news,
articles
and programs...
> which makes up the content of an actual
newsletter...
<BobSlopsema> too busy at work....and then there's
doug's housr
<rich> Agreed, Scott, but as one of the founders I
know what we had
in
mind
> Actually you're right... It's not ONE newsletter,
it's several...
> Yes, the monthly anthology...
<rich> It's basi ally reprints of Adam materials from
other sources
<rich> Now we include the internet and stuff
> Hey, whatever happened to it's founder, oh...
what's his name...
<Rick> I'll have to go to ANN later on.
> Got it on the tip of my tongue...
<rich> Barry Wilson, and we don't know
> Barry Wilson...
> Some of the ANN disks are on my site.
<BobSlopsema> wiil get to it this weekend scoot; one
finger and all
<rich> He was a difficult personality but I never had
any problems
with
him
> Actually there's two.
> Some of the articles are also from ANN.
<Guy B.> Barry Wilson sent me a whole slew of Adam
software a few
years ago that no longer wanted.
<rich> I have a complete set thru about 1997 or 98
> One finger and all? Wait a minute... Did I miss
something here?
<BobSlopsema> let's just say barry was "a"
personality....
> What happened to your hand?
> Oh yeah, and who's scoot?
<BobSlopsema> left hand soaking 2 fongers in
antiseptic; so only got
one hand to type with
<rich> I always got along smoothly with Barry and
liked him
<Guy B.> Bob, what happened to your hand? Did you cut
it?
<BobSlopsema> and then fard dingers don't type well
> Yeah, Bob, you're holding out on us...
<Guy B.> How come you don't let Judy do the typing
tonight?
<BobSlopsema> tried to top off middle 2 w/ power saw
about 1
mi=onth ago
> Barry had some great ideas...
<rich> And he wasn't bad with the execution either
> Ouch! I'm sorry. Ugh!
<rich> Would accept help when he needed it
<BobSlopsema> cause she is soaking 1 finger w/
infection too
> I have an article or two of his on my site...
<Guy B.> How bad was it?
<rich> And went out and pursued it as well
<BobSlopsema> ring finger notr bad; middle almost off
<BobSlopsema> be summer before it is back to normal
> Sorry to hear that, Bob.
> It's good to hear you'll be back to normal in a few
months.
<rich> Let's be glad it's gettable back to normal
<BobSlopsema> me too
<Guy B.> Oh man, you won't be doing that ever again.
<BobSlopsema> ;
<BobSlopsema> -
<BobSlopsema> ;-
<BobSlopsema> ;
<BobSlopsema> ;-)
<rich> Where is Meka tonight?
<rich> Meeka
<Guy B.> My sister was helping my mom cleaning her
place and I have
a Packard Bell 386 computer here in my kitchen.
<BobSlopsema> prooly got home by now, judy & i got
home about 9:20
<Guy B.> That was her computer. A demo.
<rich> What do you plan to do with it?
<BobSlopsema> work great to be a slave for adam
<rich> Naw, a simple XT will do as ana Adam server
<Guy B.> Right now, I don't know yet. I may use the
monitor for the
486. I have a brand new Panasonic 24 pin color dot
matrix printer.
<Guy B.> That I might hook up to my Pentium and the 9
Pin color may
go to the 486.
<rich> Put DOS on it, a 1.2 hard disc with two
partitions, and run
games
> Rick, I'm not sure if you're aware of all of the
technology
developed
for the ADAM...
<BobSlopsema> got a386 setup w/ 4 srives & it makes a
great copy
macine for diska & transferring between tdos & dos
<Guy B.> The 386 has Win 3.0, Lotus 123 and DOS 5.0
and the HD is
85Mb. It won't even run Win95
<rich> Bet he hasn't even found the emulator yet
> Awhile ago, my father manufactured a hardrive for
the ADAM called
the PowerMate...
<Guy B.> I don't think the emulator will work very
well with the
386, but
it will with the 486.
<BobSlopsema> gott have 486 for emultor don't ya??
> Marcel de Kogel developed an ADAM Emulator for
Windows...
<rich> That's what the docs say, but I've heard a 386
can handle it
<Guy B.> At least that.
<Rick> This is pretty new to me, Scott. Why don't you
bring me up to
date on what's available.
> Rich Drushel got the ADAM Server up and running...
> Geez... where to start?
<Guy B.> Scott, the emulator runs under DOS.
<Rick> What is the Adam Server??
> Your right. DOS.
> But you don't have to leave Windows.
> As in reboot in MS-DOS.
<Guy B.> It works better stand alone, but you can run
it from
Windows.
<Rick> How do you get your old programs to run with
the emulator.
I've
transfered most of what I have to 1.44 ADAM floppies.
<rich> I'd love to set up my 386 as a device to
transfer Adam files
to
DOS but don't know how
> What do you have for your ADAM, Rick?
APRIL 2000 ADAM NEWS NETWORK DISK
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This month we have some late breaking news on ADAMCON with a tentative activity schedule for the convention; registration form for those ready to make those reservations (it's NOT too early); AND the chosen location. The location just announced is the Howard Johnson TRIUMPH Hotel just around the corner from the Ramada INN where ADAMCON 02 was held. For those who attended AC02, you will remember that the hotel was fairly easy to find, right off Highway 401.
Along with this ADAMCON information, we have some text captures from the weekly conferences held WED eves @ 9PM EST on the web at THE ADAM RESOURCE hosted by Scott Gordon. We had previously been meeting on Delphi, but switched due to technical problems with Delphi's server. Anyway, it gives you an idea of what goes on during all those conference calls when you cannot attend in person. BUT! we would like some more particiaption in the Wed evening conferences, so why don't you see if you can't make it some week! Use that infernal dos machine; get on the web; goto: http://www.theadamresource.com and follow the path thru the
site to the chatroom. We'd love to see it swamped; usually we get only about 4 maybe 5 people per week.
Plan NOW to come to ADAMCON OC (12) this summer in Toronto and mail those registrations in soon!! SEE YOU THERE!!!!
ADAMCON OCh REGISTRATION FORM
"Dinosaurs into the new Millenium"
Please fill out this form and submit it BY MAIL with a registration fee(s) in US or Canadian funds. US prices are marked with $US and Canadian prices are marked with $CA.
AdamCon runs from July 20 (Thurs eve) to July 23 (Sun eve). Accomodations include Thursday night through Sunday night. For extra days, please phone me at (416)-225-5884 for pricing.
Lunch is provided with full attendee and a day pass. Spouses get breakfast and the banquet.
Name: _____________________ Spouse or Roommate: _____________
(if sharing)
Address: ____________________________________________________
Arrival: _______________ Departure: ____________
AdamCon registration:
Full attendee (4 nights, 3 bkfst, 3 lunch, banquet) ______ x $300US = ______
$420CA
Private room (SINGLE ROOM) ______ x $160US = ______
$224CASpouse (4 nights, 3 bkfst, banquet) ______ x $200US = ______
$280CA
Day pass (includes lunch) ______ x $40CA = ______
Banquet only ______ x $50CA = ______
AdamCon T-shirts: size ______ size ______ x $10US = ______
( S M L XL XXL 3XL 4XL ) $14CA
AdamCon hats: ________ x $6US = ______
$9CA
Total due: $______
Payment: $______
Full payment is due June 30. Make checks payable to "AdamCon 12."
Please send this form and payment to:
Dale Wick
347 Hounslow Ave.
Toronto, ON Canada
M2R 1H4
dmwick@home.com 416-225-5884 (home) or 416-451-2697 (cell/work)
Send feedback to Dale Wick
AdamCon 0Ch Schedule (July 20-23, 2000)
" Dinosaurs into the new Millenium"
Here is a preliminary schedule (updated March 15, 2000):
Thursday, July 20 2PM REGISTRATION 8PM RECEPTION
````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` Friday Saturday Sunday ----------------------------------------------------------------- 7AM Breakfast (provided)
9AM Mastering the web Geneology Hands on LOGO with search engines (tentative) by Neil Wick (MTAG)Geneology (tenative) ----------------------------------------------------------------- 12 noon Lunch (provided) ----------------------------------------------------------------- 2PM AdamBomb 2 hints Keynote:"Why old The ADAM RESOURCE and tips by computers are still & Adam websites Jillian Arnott interesting" by Scott Gordon
3PM Transfer utilities ADAMEM & utilities Writing Supergames (Adam <-> PC) by "artificial intel- ligence"by D. Wick ------------------------------------------------------------------ 6PM Free time (supper) ------------------------------------------------------------------ 8PM Demo time Online conference Banquet Buy and sell Delphi or ADAM &awards store resource chatroom ---------------------------------------------------------------- 11PM Sleep?Descriptions of Sessions: Watch for descriptions of the upcoming seminars.
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